I’d like to suggest instabanning folks for using the f-slur or referring to people they disagree with as “demented” or “schizophrenic.” That stuff seems blatantly beyond the pale to me.
Everybody gets heated, and succumbs to rage, I mean with gas prices I cant believe we arent all going crazy on the roads when people fly by you with no disregard, and for what to have to spend more money at the pump?
Agree. As you are suggesting, passes were given for this sort of thing after private discussions. They will not be in the future.
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Hopefully I didn’t miss this earlier, but I’d add that mods should be the ones to tell people to stop being naughty. If we see a post that we think is out of line and we’re just regular forum users (like me), responding directly to the person probably isn’t our place. Flag it to notify a mod and don’t escalate the situation by making a citizen’s arrest 
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Eric, I don’t know what you are thinking when writing this post. It didn’t help anything. If my above suggestion seemed to target you or be facetious, it wasn’t. I genuinely mean that if people haven’t watch the video, they shouldn’t be in the thread. I don’t care if it’s you, me, Troy, Paul Gilbert, whoever. So if someone says “Hey I haven’t watched the video”, it should be acceptable to flag the post. That was a problem in that thread, and I suggested in one short sentence as much.
I apologized for the schizophrenic line, publicly and private (edit: For those confused I did not say the other things mentioned and Eric is not claiming I did just FYI). More than I can say for any of the people on the “other side” who never said anything to anyone that wasn’t a member of CTC.
Let’s not go down this path again. I know what you’re doing, or rather, trying to do. It won’t work. I learned my lesson. You - clearly - did not learn yours, because it would seem the only thing you accomplished with the post you just made is a tacit admission of guilt that you were in the wrong in that thread, and that my post triggered you even though it wasn’t targeted. If you still feel guilt, you’re more than welcome to vocalize this in a constructive way that is more in line with the spirit of this thread.
If you think I was targeting you with my above suggestion, you couldn’t be more wrong (Edit: in fact, I did not remember that it was you who had said any of those things). I remembered that certain things had been flung around that really really shouldn’t have been, and decided that it really needed to be brought up since I hadn’t seen it addressed yet. That’s all.
That’s totally cool. It just came off as very strangely worded and I might have been mistaken. No hard feelings.
I’m not aware of everything that happened the other day but I was not intending to make this personal our “out” you in any way, even passive aggressively. In retrospect thinking that Eric could quote you, even unattributed, and then replying to that, was probably a little glib on my part. So, apologies for that.
Things went off the rails in good part because I/we were too permissive, as has been stated, and I agree with that. This is why I wasn’t super comfortable handing out insta-bans when I could speak to people, particularly if they are long time commenters. I still feel a little guilty that I allowed this type of behavior to slide with only a slap on the wrist, but that’s just ego talking there. Powerful boss man, lay down law!
In the very general sense, devoid and any further judgment, personal insults of that sort are worth mentioning here, and that kind of thing probably * is * ban worthy moving forward.
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Yeah I’m guilty of that too since I was the first on the “scene”.
I’m generally averse to conflict, so I was being too much of a “good cop” so to say. Will try to act more decisively moving forward.
By the way, it’s worth pointing out for anyone that missed this that there’s options in between banning and doing nothing or just “telling someone off”. It’s possible to suspend users for a certain period of time e.g. a week.
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That’s also a good point. There is probably some argument for suspension over insta-ban based on the circumstances. Long-time commenter with a positive track record vs burner account for example.
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This goes directly against me, but I’m fine with it: Do you think people should be held to the exact same standard, or is preferential treatment really what you want? It’s a tough question and that might snowball into “Well you just let him get away with it because of reason!” And that could create a whole other sticking point around here. Just anticipating future concerns.
(I’m reflecting on how hilarious it would be if you banned me right after this post lmfao, I don’t think I could even be mad)
don’t bring your rage here, from outside influences. pure and simple. getting annoyed and expressing some negativity in the context of guitar is one thing… you are bringing anger because of fuel prices into a discussion about a guitar teacher… it’s immature. take your grievances offline
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Totally legit question. And I think the answer is that different responses for different situations isn’t preferential if it’s based on standards that are the same for everyone.
If someone has a long history of demonstrating constructive engagement with other people, it is sensible to expect that this person may come around with a reminder in the form a PM or temp suspension. If someone has the opposite history, or no history, it’s sensible to expect a different outcome and respond more aggressively.
It’s only preferential if the situation suggests one thing but we do another.
I think it’s wise to be very careful about “instabanning” on anything that comes down to “use of offensive terms”. There are some people who genuinely just don’t know better, and may fall in line after a warning. Consider also that people who speak English as a second language may not have been instructed about the offense caused by some terms.
I can only think of one slur in English whose cultural significance is so great that every person who communicates in English should be expected to know it’s offensive.
Edit: I have to throw in a favorite John Mulaney quote: “If you’re comparing the badness of two words, and you won’t even say one of them… that’s the worse word.”
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@Troy would automated “troll detection” help the process at all? (not sure what this forum is hosted on, but there are tools for sentiment analysis that can detect trolling behavior if you can pull in recent topics easily). Depending on what’s available over API there could be a way to detect and freeze accounts temporarily using over the top language and notify admins for review. Or potentially a reddit-type auto moderator to issue warnings on language.
Or is this strictly deciding how to handle it when its identified is taking time away so you’re looking for some quick rules of thumb that fit the forum?
Sorry if this sounds a little off-topic but I moderate for a lot of Twitch/YouTube channels (some with regular viewership in the high thousands) and as a person, I strongly dislike and shy away from conflict. I always had this fear of coming across as harsh and would always try to reason with people and give them second, third, etc. chances. and honestly… out of hundreds of cases, I can count about 2 or 3 cases where we were too quick to react or where someone modified their behaviour and stopped trolling. If someone has a track record of being a valuable community member, I don’t view that as a reason to allow them to disregard the rules, but it does mean I will handle the case differently. But if someone is just confrontational and disrespectful from the outset and if their posts add nothing of value, I will warn them, and if they refuse to stop or at that point double down and begin to disregard the moderation, I will ban them there and then. It seemed harsh to me at first but the more I see communities thrive even when you lose a few numbers by banning people like this, the more I am convinced that you will not miss people like this anyway. They just move on and troll elsewhere. The once or twice someone has genuinely been willing to modify their behaviour, they reached out and asked to be unbanned and we allowed them to come back on the understanding that they had to tow the line. I hasten to add that this is not a criticism of the people who were just stating strong opinions in that other thread - I was more concerned at the idea of someone continuing to use burner accounts to keep the argument going.
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Just ban anyone who has a headless guitar, those guys are mental.
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I just bought a headless Kiesel Vader 7 
RIP my timing!
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Damn, I’ll get my hat then…
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I’m out too, thats how I know we’re nuts.
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