Guitarists Who Kept Trying To Learn After Becoming Stars

I think Justice may have been the last album he worked with Satriani on. The black album, and the simpler, more groove-oriented direction they move there, though, was entirely a stylistic choice and not based on a degredation in their ability to play (though arguably that followed, especially for Lars who I gather was at his limit on their earlier thrash albums, and after a couple decades of touring their more hard rock material really struggles to pull some of it off…).

I will say, though, that while “Sad but True” is fairly easy, it’s also heavy as $#@!. So, I’m ok with that. :slight_smile:

Oh, I didn’t mean to imply they started playing simpler music because their skills had degraded, but like you said, degrading skills may have followed the switch to a simpler style of music to play. A friend of mine and I had a joke where he’d pretend to be Kirk and I was the interviewer and I’d ask, “So, after releasing Load, you’re going on tour again. Does it suck having to practice to be able to play all those fast riffs in the old songs”?

Oh, and Opeth RULES. They’re moving in a more conventional prog-rock direction these days - Mikael Akersfeldt has gotten sick of growling, I guess - but their earlier purely heavier stuff is brilliant for that exact reason. Akersfeldt can growl with the best of them, but then has the voice of an angel when he backs it off a bit.

I’d recommend “Blackwater Park” as a starting point, partly because it really is a brilliant album, partly because while I love their mellow stuff (“Damnation” is the best thing Pink Floyd didn’t release) I think it’s important to hear them at their heaviest first, and partly because I don’t know what the greatest guitar riff ever written is, the first main riff from the title track (1:49), or the second (5:13).

Seriously, the riffs in this thing… Unreal.

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I have Blackwater Park! I think the first Opeth album I got was “My Arms, Your Hearse” which got me hooked on them and Blackwater was probably my second purchase.

I didn’t know that they have gone in the more prog-rock direction but that’s great as far as I’m concerned because the growling was my least favorite thing about them… I love the album that’s all mellow - I think “Damnation” is the one . It’s the album they perform live on the DVD entitled “Lamentations” and I just LOVE that DVD! Have you seen it? They play some of the old songs with the growling after they finish playing the Damnation album so you’d like that too. BTW, the guitar solo in “Windowpane” sounds a little bit like Carlos Santana to me. The song doesn’t sound like anyone I’ve ever heard.

Great list but I would add Mark Tremonti.

@element0s One of the things I love about Somewhere in Time is how much it showcased Adrian’s solos and songwriting. Probably my favorite Maiden album.

Vinnie Moore completely re-invented his lick bag after his first couple of neoclassical albums. Have you heard the difference between Time Odyssey and Meltdown?

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Alex Skolnick from Testament to “Oh I fancy doing a world music/fusion album in the Al Di Meola vein”

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Thank you, I was thinking the exact same, but I refrained from commenting to not give the impression of being a “Vinnie Moore fanboy” :rofl:

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Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. Yeah he definitely deserves a mention. Kiko Loureiro does too I think, although he was a killer shred player even from his early Angra days

Great addition - I always had a soft spot for the riffs in Creed - Scott Stapp became totally insufferable after “My Own Prison,” but even at their schlopiest, stuff like “Higher” had damned cool guitar parts. Then they break up, the band sans Stapp reforms as Alter Bridge with the (amazingly talented) Myles Kennedy out front (who incidently is also a pretty killer player)… and Tremonti holes up with Troy Stetina for a couple months and comes out of hiding with some fairly credible shred soloing under his belt.

In the mid-2000s, seeing Troy Stetina thanked in the liner notes to a hit rock album was pretty damned heart-warming. :slight_smile: I love the first two Alter Bridge albums, by the way - the third got absolutely smashed in mastering and is kind of painful to listen to, but the first two are great - awesome tones and mixes, killer vocals and riffs, and great songs.

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I am genuinely perplexed that Jeff Beck hasn’t been mentioned yet. His development as a player and as a musician since he started out in the late '60s British Blues Rock scene is incredible.

In the Yardbirds and the first Jeff Beck Group (with Rod Stewart), Jeff was a fairly straightforward Blues-Rock player, though he did havea unique style and a distinctive sound even then. Despite achieving notable success, he did not make an impact in that genre that is really comparable to what his contemporaries like Hendrix and Clapton accomplished.

While I do think Jeff had greater facility with the guitar than Page or Green, I don’t think his best playing of that era compares to Clapton’s lead work in Cream (which is not nearly as simple as most shred fans believe it to be) or Hendix’s rhythm playing.

In the '70s, Jeff developed an interest in fusion and had a productive relationship with Jan Hammer. He sounds completely different in the second Jeff Beck Group than he did with the first. Wired really is the quintessential '70s Jeff Beck album, and his progression when compared to his younger self is undeniable.

If that weren’t enough, in the '80s he essentially developed a completely new and distinct approach to the guitar, beginning with the Guitar Shop album.

His bending control, both with his fingers and the vibrato bar, and his ability to shape notes is peerless. Despite the fact that he rarely plays anything at typical “shred” speeds, the difficulty in performing his pieces and arrangements is at least equivalent to the difficulty of the standard “shred” repertoire.

Beyond that, he’s continually developed his musicianship in diverse genres, including rockabilly, techno, world music and hip hop.

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Oh good lord. Excellent name to bring up here. He was always good, but he’s in his own class and has an amazingly distinctive voice these days.

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Can you point me to the best examples of this?

Jeff Beck, great choice - way underrated, if that’s even possible.

In the shred world one of the more unusual is Chris Impellitteri. The first album and REH instructional were off, but then second album… there it is! I mean no disrespect, he’s a great player. What is a amazing is that thousands of players of the era faked their way through fast solos without really having the technique, or any hope of having it. This is in some sense the whole reason Cracking the Code exists. But Chris actually did get there, so props to him.

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Like Impellitteri, another guy who I thought showed remarkable growth between records is John Petrucci. I don’t know if I’ve heard anyone talk about it, but the difference in his lead playing between ‘When Dream and Day Unite’ and ‘Images and Words’ is incredible. Based on the timeline for when those albums were recorded, I wonder if Intense Rock had something to do with it? In any case, it sounds like he spent a lot of time in the woodshed between ‘89-‘91.

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I think Steve Vai still develops and evolves.

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I agree… but, I think for the most part it’s less his technique that’s evolving, so much as his phrasing. He’s - if it’s possible - become MORE immediately recognizable since Passion and Warfare, where even tossed-off improvised lines these days sound distinctly like him.

@RG1077XL @Drew
Vai was talking here about how a bad IV screwed up his ability to do crossroads style picking stuff.

I feel like Holdsworth became more technically proficient as time went on, at least up into the 90s or so

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Agreed. And the Holdsworth’s last gig there’s some recordings of it on youtube and I felt that there was this one segment where my jaw just dropped and his tone during that segment was gigantic. He was still evolving even to the end. I felt really bad for his poor daughter, they were supposed to have easter lunch together and he didn’t show up so she drove over to his place only to find his body. Too sad. A big loss for the guitar world and music in general actually.

Another guy for me who improved over time would be Canadian guitarist Ian Chrichton of Saga - he was almost like a DiMeola style flatpicker during the first 3-4 Saga albums then gradually incorporated more techniques as time went on. He then showed what he was capable of on a tune called “Giant” from their “Throwing Shapes” record: flatpicking, legato, sweeping, tapping, the whole nine yards taken at a breakneck clip.