[quote=“joebegly, post:21, topic:67810”]
a wrist motion that has some forearm rotation blended in.
[/quote] yeah.
It’s not hypothetical its personal experience. I know my right hand… to much lol
The secondary example literally proved my argument, and I know you’re doing that on purpose lol you know it.
Look at my quote technique …
wait two minutes before replying? comon…
33 seconds…
You literally proved the forarm rotation mechanic. 
it’s the same. It’s literally how i play, he is doing forarm rotation to keep in contact with the strings and as a fundamental movement to allow it all to work.
Imagine a foundation for a building, it hopefully… shouldn’t move, yet it allows the entire building to stand erect, dispite the fact it visually doesn’t move… But it’s still the foundation. Not necessarily the prime mover, but a prime mover. I can see him twisting/wiggling his forarm. The wrist strap with a light metal piece totally highlights the forarm rotation.
All I did was prove that he does have a forearm rotational mechanic. That’s actually news to me. I’ve only ever watched footage from his BLS era and that all looked like elbow motion. That means he’s got 2 different motions (or, maybe he had one, then switched to a different one)
If you can watch those 2 motions side by side and say they both look the same, you’re seeing things that I don’t see.
cus its blended… it just like that stupid video i made shows, you need to forarm to make it work.
Did you just make that video? Fast editing skill, wtf
Yeah I just looped a section from the 2 videos captured ~12 seconds and put them side by side in a video. It would be truly eerie if that video was already on youtube and there’s a 3rd individual who cares about this as much as we do lol! Which reminds me…I think we’re at another stalemate. Truce? We’re not helping people who come to this thread wanting to know about palm muting with an elbow mechanic lol (or are we??? haha)
oh, shall we step out side lol
I agree it’s such a minor thing, n i prefer soloing in major. Your video editing is so fast tho, hire this man.
Oh my quality is very poor though. I started messing with a video editor less than 2 weeks ago. Dude it is SUPER easy to make something like I just did. I have almost no clue what I’m doing lol! Not sure if you are Mac or PC but I’m PC and the program I used was called Clip Champ - free as long as you create an Microsoft account, which is also free. It’s really fun you should try it. I’d seriously love to see what you’re capable of given you’ve already made one of the best videos anyone’s ever posted on here using just your phone lol!
it’s not a phone i had a small camera in my mouth. You know proper professionalism.
I never edit videos so if it’s that fast i’ll check it out. 
Sounds like innovation to me. I almost fell on the floor laughing at the parts where you were narrating with the phone in your mouth lol!
And yeah the editing to get the non pro level I’m getting…extremely simple. Any questions, ask google. Someone has likely made a video of how to do the thing you want to do. Drag/drop/point/click interface is pretty intuitive too. If I can do it, probably most people can do it.
Just remember when you’re winning awards at the independent film festivals that it was me who gave you the push you needed 
Whether or not that push contained incidental forearm rotation…we’ll likely disagree on 
lol you bitch and I will! I’ll say, I just wanna thank, troy, tommo n joe, without them i’d just be another nutter lol
And the Aliens btw don’t wana get abducted…
Make sure you do it quickly though. I hear if you don’t say the thanks fast enough they yank you off the stage lol
Now I can see that video 
Troy literally said it at 3:13 another motion. It’s forarm rotation. I think Troy is fully aware of it, but is being diplomatic as it’s such a small movement that you can’t easily judge one way or the other. It’s forarm rotation allowing tracking of the strings and facilitating the entire thing.
Oh you renewed your membership? nice!
Now I have the moon in my profile too 
Do you still disagree with the forarm wiggle? I mean, you proved it, Troy hinted at it…
I honestly think it’s there, but If you’ve seen other examples in the cdc videos i want to see them. Obviously I’m ignorent of a load of stuff.
To me, all I proved is that Zakk has 2 different motions. One with a visible wiggle/rotation (an no visible elbow movement), and another that’s the exact opposite - visible elbow motion, no visible rotation. In the side-by-side video I made, are you saying both those motions looks like they have the same to you? To me, they don’t. I see zero in the left, typical gypsy in the right.
That Zakk video of Troy’s that you’ve just now seen is the only one I can think of directly on the platform that talks about this. Like I said before about Zakk, the only stuff I’ve watched where I looked at his technique was later in his career and to me, that looked like elbow. Since I saw the video where Troy had specifically devoted it to Zakk’s Elbow motion, I’d mentally blanket classified Zakk as an elbow player. Clearly, I was wrong about that. I have no issue admitting when I’m wrong because that’s where we learn. He does have a motion where it’s traditional forearm rotation. Now I know! BUT… I’m not talking about that one though, in the majority of this thread, I’m talking about the other one.
Troy mentioned in his video, conclusively, that he didn’t really know what was going on with the motion. Yes, he mentioned forearm rotation as a possibility, but if it was that simple he would have leaned towards that. He also mentioned shoulder as a possibility. The fact that Troy has one of the world’s best rotational mechanics and is acutely aware of joint motions, he can mimic Zakk and doesn’t perceive rotation when he does the motion…to me that’s enough to say “if rotation is there, it’s so minimal that it’s not what’s causing the escape”. Or maybe better yet, it’s not anything we should care about since it’s not a clear response of what we’re telling our body to do.
Here’s Troy’s Zakk impersonation:
Are you saying you see rotation there??? Keep your eye on the tendon visible near his wrist. I don’t see it move.
If I see anything happening there that is not elbow, I see a little bit of wrist flexion. That’s a much more likely cause of an upstroke escape than the forearm rotation that I don’t see. I assume you are still seeing rotation, and that’s why we keep talking in circles. If 2 people stare at a shade of blue-ish green and one only sees green and the other sees blue, they’ll continue to point and talk and disagree lol! Which is why I’ve asked to call a truce 
There have actually been numerous posts about Elbow and USX capabilities here.
I think Zakk’s early technique was mainly reverse dart thrower wrist motion, where you have the “flexed” posture but mainly the hand goes back and forth along a wrist path. The forearm looks mostly stationary:
Zakk’s later technique I think is elbow + rotator cuff. It’s really hard to say what’s going on from his footage but when you look at it up close like this some things become clearer:
If there is forearm rotation, the pick should appear to rotate and change its pickslant. However you can see in slow motion the pick is escaping quite a bit, and there is really no change in pickslant. Even if there is some, there’s no way enough to create the large escape that we see. So I think the lifting is the rotator cuff.
It’s possible the escape is dart thrower wrist, operating alongside elbow. But I really don’t see enough forearm happening here to cause these relatively large motions.
Yes, if the forarm was fixed we’d not be able to track the strings. If Troys forarm in that video was totally fixed in place he’d not be able to do that movement.
We’re not talking in circles tho because it’s a legit movement that without it would not allow the entire technique.
Elbow plus rotator cuff is enough to trace any string tracking path.
I just say talking in circles because the overall theme is:
Whammy: I see rotation! It’s there because blah blah blah
Joe: I don’t! It’s not there because blah blah blah
lol! Which is why again I ask for a truce. I know what I think I see, you know what you think you see. Neither of us will budge (well, I did a little because I posted a clip where his forearm rotated some, clearly. I never saw that from him before)