Played for 15 years and Blown Away

Hi guys

Im a new member and I’m blown away by Troy’s philosophy on picking technique. I’ve been playing on and off for somewhere around 15 years. I always wanting to play shred guitar but could never seem to bridge that gap in technical ability.

One of my favorite guitar players is Syu from Galneryus and I could never exactly pinpoint why I struggled so much to play his material. I came across the concepts of USX and DSX and now it finally makes sense. I have always played with my pick slanted slightly downwards while Syu has an upwards pick slant!

I have subconsciously experimented with both playing styles over the years but never really thought about the way my pick was escaping the strings. The interesting thing is I have a tendency to start two string pentatonic licks with an up stroke and tend to use economy picking during certain scale runs. I realized that I’ve been doing exactly what Troy has been saying and using economy as a downwards escape to compensate for the pick being trapped in between the string.

I flipped my pick over to an upwards slant while being more conscious about the picking motions and I’ve made so much progress in certain Galneryus songs that used to be really difficult! I haven’t even finished 80% of the material on the website but I thought this was just going to be like every other guitar course out there that I’ve watched. I’ve gone through excerpts of Rock Discipline, Speed Kills, Paul Gilberts course, and several others but none of them worked the way this did. Best $30 spent and I can’t wait to learn more. I wish this existed back when I was learning as a teenager.

Does anyone have advice on switching from a DSX style to USX style of playing? One thing that I have noticed is that 3 note ascending scale runs seem harder using a USX technique unless I start it with an upstroke. (The opposite of my usual DSX technique.) How long does it take until you felt comfortable picking with an upwards slant?

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Hey man Syu is one of my favorite guitarists and I have studied some of his footage, I haven’t been able to discover all of his tricks but I have however, discovered pretty interesting tricks he uses to achieve extra speed and also to avoid downstroke escape changes and keep his downwardpick slanting motion going on, better term for it is upward escape motion since the pick escapes on upstrokes, I mysef like you, I am the opposite of Syu in motions, I’m a downstroke escape player or upward pickslanter, so I can get closer to playing how he does by reversing the patterns he uses on the picking hand. Also the metronomic rock DSX course in here is really good to learn some of these tricks that you can use in reverse to what Syu tends to do quite often.

So just for clarification
Downward pick slanting=upward escape motion
Upward picksklanting=downward escape motion

This simply means for example on an upward escape motion or downpicklsanting like SYU, his downstrokes are trapped and his upstrokes escape the strings allowing for effortless string switching

For upward pickslanting or downstroke escape player its the opposite, our upstrokes are trapped and our downstrokes move away from the string allowing escaping the string and the string change.

Now here is a trick I’ve found SYU uses to avoid fully alternate picking certain licks, in Syu’s case again he does this to either play faster or to avoid downstroke strings escapes which is the opposite of his primary USX motion. While Syu is able to do both escapes or a double escape, he generally avoids it, I still haven’t figured out how his double escape motion works but in any case adding a sneaky legato articulation allows him to play faster than fully alternate picked patterns, even ones where he would need only one motion like downward pickslanting.

On a quintuplet like pattern I have notated how it would be fully alternate picked only and then how SYU would pay it adding sneaky hammer-ons to achieve more speed and avoid having to do a downstroke escape motion, it’s like it gives an extra boost of speed and it’s easier to play fast. After the hammer-ons he does another upstroke so it’s two upstrokes in a row separated by the hammer-on:

He uses a quintuplet pattern similar to this one on the Burn My Heart solo. Again this gives him an extra speed boost and allows him to avoid having to do double escape motion or DSX:

Now on this live example from Syu you can see how he uses the trick of adding the sneaky hammer-ons on a pattern that includes some string skipping here in Exercise 14 from the Whisper In the red sky solo, he does a full speed demo of the exercise, if you watch that demo in slow motion with the youtube player you will notice his picking pattern is D-U-D-U-Hammer On, then followed by another upstroke again , the hammer on gives enough time to do two consecutive upstrokes. So now, on the new string you begin with an upstroke like this U-D-U-D-U, basically what I’m trying to say is that this isn’t a fully alternate picked example, there’s some sneaky legato that’s introduced, similar as in the quintuplet example. If you watch closely and in slow motions his full speed demo, you’ll be able to spot how he uses sneaky hammer ons and two consecutive upstrokes to play this example (in slow motion you can even hear the hammer-on as opposed to a pick attack):

I have attempted to notate example 14, but the palm muting is kinda whatever, so just keep in mind there’s some palm muting being used here:

Keep in mind than when he plays examples slow he uses alternate picking but when he plays fast it’s not the same as his slow demonstrations, so you have to pay attention to his full speed ones to see how they are really being played.

For us DSX or downstroke escape players or upwards pickslanters however if you wanna play it; it’s better to reverse the picking pattern, starting on an upstroke and doing two consecutive downstrokes instead of upstrokes so it is like:
U-D-U-D-hammer on, and on the next string you start D-U-D-U-D- here the pattern resets to U-D-U-hammer on, to prepare the new string switch.

There’s a reason for this and there’s a reason why SYU does consecutive upstrokes instead of downstrokes. Let me try to explain.

In Syu’s case him being an USX player or a downward pickslanting player, let’s take a look at a three note per string ascending pattern played in different ways:

If we alternate pick everything it would be:

D-U-D
on the next string now you have to start on an upstroke
U-D-U
and on the next string after that it’s a downstroke again.
D-U-D.

Syu being a downward pickslanter, he wants to avoids the downstroke string change since the downstrokes are trapped, this means, if he doesn’t avoid it, after the very first string change that ends on a downstroke D-U-D, he would have to attack the new string starting on an upstroke U-D-U, the opposite of what he needs as a downward pickslanter (USX), therefore his solutions I have been able to identify (notated on the tab above), are as follows when it comes to playing three notes per string patterns or uneven notes per string patterns (even note string patterns like 2 or 4, don’t need double escape motion since the new attack on the string is always the same, that’s why he heavily plays two notes per string on his riffs and solos):

D-U-Hammer on
on the new string now:
U-D-U
on the new string he is in position for again, without needing to use legato here, since he is set up perfectly to use his regular primary motion:
D-U-D

Another way he might do these 3 note per string patters using consecutive downstrokes or upstrokes (again notated on the tab above), for this one it doesn’t matter that much which one, is the Yngwie solution for 3 notes per string playing but rather than descending where Yngwie uses it ,since ascending he uses economy picking, we can do it on ascending scales like SYU. Now this one sounds a lot more legato rather than fully picked, because there is a lot more legato being introduced:

D-U-hammer on
D-U-hammer on
D-U-hammer on

or the reverse

U-D-hammer on
U-D-hammer on
U-D- hammer on

Now there are other examples where SYU might choose to use hammer ons for example the classic Paul gilbert pattern:
first notated as for alternate picking and then how SYU does it:

He for example uses this kind of pattern with some variations on the Flag of Reincarnation solo:

Now again, to be able to play these kind of examples as an upward pickslanter, simply reverse the pick attacks and you got it, when it comes to SYU licks, this usually means starting on an upstroke instead of a downstroke and doing two consecutive downstrokes after hammer ons, instead of two consecutive upstrokes like Syu does.

I would advise you to get the metronomic rock dsx tutorial and see how @tommo teaches playing three notes per string scales using hammer ons and pull offs for upward pickslanters.

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Hey man, this was a super in-depth tutorial on Syu’s technique, and I just wanted to thank you—especially for the three-notes-per-string section. I found it incredibly insightful.

I got the terminology mixed up a bit, but you’re absolutely right: I’m an upward pickslanter, while Syu is a downward pickslanter.

What surprised me most is that Syu doesn’t use strict alternate picking throughout. I always thought he alternate-picked every single line. But like you said, when he slows things down, he does alternate pick everything. When he’s playing fast, though, he uses short bursts of legato to escape the upstrokes.

The part where he plays:

  • D–U–Hammer-on
  • U–D–U
  • D–U–D

was especially wild, because that upstroke on the second string is so unintuitive. He’s basically using two upstrokes in a row! I see what you mean when you say that for us upwards pick slanters we need to reverse it but man it is so hard to get used to starting an ascending lick on an upstroke.

I’m going to double check that course you mention and hopefully getting a better understanding of this stuff. Burn my heart is also one of my favorite syu solos and I’ve never been able to really master a lot of his stuff but I really feel like these concepts will help me take things to the next level.

Yeah, I always thought Syu used pure alternate picking until I realized he uses legato stealthily to avoid uncomfortable strings changes or to achieve more speed while still maintaining a mostly alternate picking sound. However I believe in studio recording he might use more pure alternate picking, and he is capable of pure alternate picking but I haven’t been able to identify how he does double escape alternate picking motion, we would need a magnet angle to maybe find out, but like for example on this exercise 7 taken from the solo of Point of no return where he plays one note per string on the G string:

Or in TFFB or in Silent Revelation lead parts, he tends to do this descending lick that has one note per string at times, which seems to me is a fully alternate picked lick:

Yeah I certainly got closer by adapting his downward pickslanting playing and reversing the picking patterns to work for upward pickslanting, however there’s stuff that’s specifically designed to work only with downward pickslanting that he does, that for me it’s impossible to play, but I’d say about 80%-90% of what he does can be adapted for upward pickslanting.

Yeah same when I watched Tommo’s masterclass where he does the same but with a downstroke, but in Syu’s case again, starting that second string on an upstroke since, it’s a three note per string, it means he finishes on an upstroke as well, and he is mainly an Upstroke escape player aka. a downward pickslanter, which means he is perfectly set up to attack the next string with his “natural” alternate picking motion.

I think it’s funny that you mention T.F.F.B because the first thing I thought to myself after learning about downward pick-slanting was the intro riff to that song. I always struggled to play it up to speed. It’s in the first 15 seconds of this video that you shared.

Syu(Galneryus) - T.F.F.B/Solo :fire: 2025 HD - YouTube

That intro riff is extremely difficult to play with an upwards pick slant ESPECIALLY if you start on a downstroke on the b string in the way I used to practice it. If you were to adapt it to a downwards pickslant I guess you could try it by starting on an upstroke on the b string but still, switching picking styles just made it feel so much easier.

I want to try relearning a lot of their songs. Tear off your chains, Burn My Heart, Emotions, Save You, T.F.F.B, Future Never Dies, Across the Rainbow, are all some of my favorites. The funny thing is I know all of the notes, it’s literally just the speed that poor 16 year old me could never get comfortable with.

Are there any other courses that you recommend other than the metronomic rock dsx? I still have a lot of material to go through but I watched some of it this weekend. My first thought was “why would I need to do a hammer on for 3 string ascending riffs when it’s already pretty easy to change strings with a DSX style”

Then I realized that it’s not really about the first string skip (From the E string to the A String) but instead about the 2nd one (From the A to the D string.)

With an upwards pickslant it gets stuck on the sixth ascending note.

E String - D-U-D
A String - U-D-U

Using the hammer on and utilizing two upstrokes basically allows you to avoid that and move onto the D string without getting trapped underneath the string.

E String - D-U-Hammer on
A String - U-D-U
D String - D-U

So an 8 note scale (major or minor) would look like that if I’m not mistaken.

What would it look like all the way across six strings though? Would it look like

E String - D-U-Hammer on
A String - U-D-U
D String - D-U - Hammer on
G String - U-D-U
B String - D-U- Hammer On
E String - D-U-D

I checked out the DSX course more and looked at the legato escape and realized I got it wrong.

I think what he is doing is more like

E String - D-U-D
A String - U-D-Hammer On
D String - D-U -D
G String - U-D-Hammer on
B String - D-U-D
E String - U-D-U

which makes sense because for DSX players because that sixth note is where the string gets trapped.

I think for USX players its the opposite where if they start on a down stroke they get trapped right here correct.

E String - D-U-D

Which is why Syu does this sort of thing

E String - D-U-Hammer On
A String - U-D-U
D String - D-U-D

Exactly! You got it right. Of course we could also choose to start with an upstroke instead, but in the end DSX is always 2 downstrokes in a row to avoid the USX change and USX players like Syu is always 2 upstrokes in a row to avoid the DSX change, it’s just a slightly different sound because it changes the string where the legato articulation happens in order to avoid the double escape.

Actually bro that specific lick you are mentioning on the first 15 seconds of the video is another example where Syu sneakily uses legato hammer ons as well, but even then it’s very difficult to play because the speed is just absurd. And of course again as a DSX players you need to reverse the pattern. i know it because I have the Phoenix Rising album Young Guitar lesson where he shows that lick, of course I had to slow it down to see how it was really played at full speeds, let me try to tab it.

Just open image in new tab or expand it, so you can see the full size or download the guitar pro tab, I believe there’s some occasional palm muting on the G string but I didn’t tab that.

TFFB INTRO.gp (9.6 KB)

The solo from Tear off your chains has a lot of pull offs and hammer ons, the intro sweep arpeggios for me are pretty much impossible since the way he does it is a lot of USX specific stuff. The same for a lot of his sweep picking techniques where he skips strings during sweeps. One thing Syu does for example on the Awakening solo, on 5 string sweeps that only have one note at the bottom string like the 5th string, is he might only pick the ascending portion of the arpeggio and hammer on the descending portion. But Syu’s USX mechanics allow him to breeze through 3 string arpeggios and things like that, same as Yngwie Malmsteen. There are some solutions like the MAB solution for DSX players which involves swiping or doubling up the bottom note, you can see that here:

The issue is that if you try to play along Syu’s sweeps the rhythm will be slightly off since Syu doesn’t need to double up notes or swipe strings on those. The other solution for DSX players is to hammer on from nowhere on the middle note on 3 string arpeggios that don’t involve barring with the index or middle fingers as an example, Jeff Loomis or Matt Heafy tend to do that.

To me the biggest mystery when it comes to Syu’s playing remains his DBX motion for fully alternate picked licks.

TBH that example might sound a bit Swipy, like maybe he isn’t fully escaping the strings, @Troy has said in the past Swiping is cleaner for USX players since you can mute much better, but this one being a string skipping lick it’s harder to play clean when swiping.

With that course from @tommo you are well on your way to understanding pretty much all the DSX tricks you need, I’ve personally have gained a lot from adapting Syu’s licks to DSX, and build a shred vocabulary like that, I believe Young guitar instructionals from Japanese players like Syu and Leda are really good, and I also love MAB’s instructionals on metal method and guitar world and the seminar from Cracking the code on “Conquering the scale” which breaks down a lot of MAB’s playing , it hasn’t been updated to the current terminology but it’s still a good watch if you have seen Pickslanting Primer, because that way you won’t get confused.

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Great clips! I’m not familiar with him, but this is a super obvious “Gypsy-lite” USX player:

He does occasional downstroke string changes but only when ascending. This is common in the USX world - Joscho Stephan does this as well. These string changes sometimes hit the strings. That’s ok. As you correctly point out, the fretting fingers help to mute. But they don’t always hit the strings - the pedal point licks here sound pretty good on most attempts.

The slouchy posture, fingers touching the body, are all a dead giveaway, even from 20 feet away in the audience. He looks like a USX player and you don’t really need slow motion video to guess this. The fact that this video is 60p and filmed close, it’s just more obvious, especially when you see the downstroke sweeps.

Thanks for signing up! If you want to play these licks the way he’s doing it, the first and most critical step is getting USX tremolo happening on a single note. Here are the lessons:

Again, don’t start by trying to slant the pick. Instead, follow the instructions. You’ll get the correct posture and motion, AND the correct pickslant as part of the package.

Once you do this, film yourself and make sure your tremolo is USX. View the tremolo in slow motion and make sure the upstrokes really do escape. Here are the instructions for filming yourself:

If the upstrokes don’t escape on a single note, no amount of practice will make Syu licks work the way they’re really supposed to because the underlying motion isn’t the same.

When in doubt, make a Technique Critique in your account on the platform and we will jump on it asap!

Thank you for the insight Troy! Is that a USX primary motion with a DBX for the downstroke escape? As a DSX player would I need DSX+DBX?
Would you recommend watching the Joscho Stephan videos in CTC to understand the kind of mechanics that Syu employs when it comes to approaching downstroke escape and USX?

Hey man I just watched the video again and you’re right! I always thought TFFB was done with pure alternate picking but it’s just like you say where Syu is actually sneaking some legato in there!

This is a pretty cool conversation. I’ve never met another person who has analyzed syu’s playing style this well. I don’t know why for some reason I always thought he was using pure alternate picking. I was pretty obsessed with Galneryus 12 years ago. Maybe it’s time for me to revisit some of those licks. Same goes for tear off your chains. I used to practice that with all alternate picking but upon rewatching there is some clear legato being snuck in there.

I haven’t even reviewed the DSX/USX implications on sweep picking but I remember I experimented a lot with different pick slants as a teenager. I didn’t understand anything about this stuff at the time but I mostly remember syu using a lot of what looked like elbow motion when it came to sweep picking. It always seemed like his wrist/pick angle remained somewhat fixed when he was doing those large 6 string sweeps like in tear off your chains. I could be totally wrong though I haven’t really analyzed this stuff in years. It’s ironically the 3 string sweeps that I always felt were harder than the larger ones.

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Hey Troy!

Thanks for the response and nice speaking to you for the first time! I really appreciate the fine analysis you have done dissecting the playing technique of different shredders and making it make sense. It’s funny because the minute I discovered what USX was I immediately recognized that this guitar player (Syu) was one of them. It’s really obvious when you look at his picking hand.

I’ll check out that video on USX form! I haven’t seen it yet but I’ll definitely post in the technique critique soon.

Also, I’m curious, how would you define “Gypsy lite?”

Dang dude. This reply alone was worth the monthly payment for this subscription.

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Yes it is actually took me a while to realize I don’t have to alternate pick everything because I’ve always been a hardcore MAB fan, so then I started to see it on other players more, once I realized Syu doesn’t alternate pick everything, that’s when I really opened my eyes, because most times it sounds like he would be doing that, but a little legato here and there, still keeps mostly an alternate picking sound and I realized that’s mostly what the audience thinks, even in Yngwie’s case, they think it’s like an economy picking technique, but he uses a lot of legato as well which gives him that super fast and fluid sound.

Yeah it’s because Galneryus is my favorite band and we have amazing videos from Young Guitar that make it much easier to see and hear his playing isolated. Too bad a lot of Young guitar videos were deleted or just not available because Japanese players are ridiculously good. For the most part I couldn’t even touch Syu’s material because unknowingly, I was a DSX player while he is USX and I was also trying to alternate pick everything and struggling super hard trying to play his fast even notes tremolo picking or pentatonic licks starting on a downstroke, once I heard Roy Ziv and Andy James saying they start the two notes per strings pentatonics and things like that, on UPSTROKES I gave myself permission to do that as well, like on these examples:

Yes those tear off your chains intro sweeps are impossible for me as a DSX player because he skips strings after upstrokes which suits his upstroke escape playing. What he does do is he slants the pick on the sweeps quite obviously, he uses either a downward slant or upward slant to avoid the garage spikes issue, you can see how he slants the pick downwards or upwards on sweeps to get a smooth motion:

Some of it is also covered here on these frank gambale series of videos, which is a basic idea on how to angle the pick for sweep picking: