Your tounge is the pick and your left hand the mouth. Or vice versa.
That would perhaps highlight a massive out of order classic way of teaching?
You have to teach on one string. Up down.
Learn the up down on a single string. Thats it. That is everything you need.
The jumps on a single string is relitive to the keyboard.
If you spend time jumping around on a single string, you will get a feel for musical jumps and musical communication
What you’re describing - a single linear string with one of each note all along it - is effectively… a piano keyboard.
And it turns out that it’s much easier to play the piano at a decent level than it is to play a guitar.
One of the big differences between the guitar and a keyboard (both typing and musical) is that on the keyboard there is a clear sign of what each key is, in addition to there being only one of each. It allows the brain to learn what’s where to the point of being able to do it automatically without having to think. It’s much harder to do that on guitar.
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Secretarial typing is not looking at the keyboard and having each key assigned to one specific finger, plus rules like no more than one key per hand (for SHIFT). So it’s not so easy to type well. And then, it becomes a race, where there are lots of typing speed tests.
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Thats right, learn the single string up n down and you’ll learn the shifts across the strings.
i think this might not be what you intended to link…
That is what I ment to link, close your eyes, bunch of fun nonsense.
Quite hard to capture, random noise. thats live.
Its called vr chat, you can find rooms just like this. It does sound like this but you can have a convo.
You have way more practice spelling words than translating musical phrases from mind’s ear to fingerboard.
Also, for each letter, there is a fixed conceptual mapping of “letter in your mind” to position on the keyboard. For any word you recall how to spell, the sequence of letters is easy hold in your mind, so converting it to key presses is a fairly concrete task where you are identifying the next letter in the sequence and finding the position on the keyboard for that letter.
For musical ideas, most of us, even if we’ve memorized the note names on the fingerboard, can’t readily map an absolute pitch in our mind’s ear to a position on the fingerboard. For licks we know, we can probably relate the sound of the lick in our mind’s ear to the position-independent fingerboard shape of the lick, but I’d guess most people can’t hear a known lick in their mind’s ear and play it in the matching key on the first try.
If a person was improvising in their mind by “note name” rather than by “sound in their mind’s ear”, maybe it would be easier to translate to the fingerboard, but it’s not clear to me how a person would comprehend music that way on the fly. Translating a sound in your mind to humming is relatively straightforward (within your available humming range), but I find it difficult to believe anyone would be able to think a musical idea in terms of note names and translate it to humming as quickly.
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As others have said, the reason piano is more intuitive is because pitches only exist in one spot on the keyboard.
Thus, when you need to hit a specific note, there’s no thought required on interpretation of that note on the sheet music. It exists in that spot only.
But on a guitar, the same note can exist in multiple places of the fretboard. Thus, interpretation of the music is a necessity on the guitar. Not just what to play, but how you play them is ever present on guitar.
Thus, sometimes shifting the same lick around actually can make certain ideas harder to play, or easier to play.
Plus, learning theory of music without learning music is kind of a fruitless endeavor, as there’s no theory of music without the music to begin with.
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That is what I meant to link, it’s from vrchat, loads of voices talking random stuff, kind of like trying to get a grip of music. Trying to isolate meaning out of nonsense.
Do you guys not think there is something in how we learn text and vocal words that can be translated onto guitar?
we have different octaves in our voice, same thing as many note octaves on guitar.
Other than immersion and copying what we hear, not really.
EDIT: to expand on this, I think there are some things that are common among both, but I don’t know whether specifically doing a pedagogy based on that makes sense.
Words - both spoken and typed - are just things the brain has “chunked”. After a certain point, typing a word isn’t about the individual keystrokes as it is about those keystrokes in just one sequence that the brain can do automatically. So emphasizing using chunks for playing, composing, and ear-training could help.
But that’s not something that you can really do without doing the foundation work of learning the notes and everything.
Even reading your reply, I can feel chunks of words I’ve learnt, like as, you, read, this, their, are, chucks, of, words, you, know, from, childhood, you, know, buy, default. or to an extent that u cn fil in th bln ks.
Maybe it acually requires a childhood of learing to fill it in?
Does anyone who plays an instrument with less notes have anything to say?
I think perhaps learning a few words/phrases is the way to go?
A lick here, a lick there.
learning short licks,/ phrases is the way to learn the langudge of guitar.
Don’t most lessons start with “first position,” where each note has exactly one location? Then, they add second position, and so forth, going up the neck in strips?
I used to teach guitar, and that’s not how I would teach it.
I’d teach them some basic fretboard visualization using the position markers on the side or on the front.
First dot is G, second is A, third is B, fourth is C#/Db, the double dot is the 12th fret, a higher copy of the open strings as that’s the octave, the one after that is G, second is A, third is B, fourth is C#/Db, and if you have a 24 fret guitar, the second double dot is the octave, E, again.
Then do it on the A string.
First dot is C, second is D, third is E, fourth is F#/Gb, the double dot is the octave, A again. First dot after it is C, second is D, third is E, fourth is F#/Gb, and the second double dot is the octave A again.
Then I taught the Octave Trick, which is picking a note on the G or D strings and figure it out.
Example: 9th fret, G string. Well, let’s go down two frets to the 7th fret, then down two strings to land on the third dot on the A string, which we know is the note E.
If figuring one out on the B string, go down three frets, then down two strings.
If figuring one out on the high E string, no need, as the high E is just a higher octave copy of the low E. Whatever big brother can do, little brother can do too.
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