What's The Difference Between Pop Metal and Glam Metal?

I think the term hair metal is shallow because it doesn’t accurately describe the sound of most of the bands, similar to how “grunge” became a catch all 90s. Using costumes as the delineation isn’t super helpful as every band “dressed up” to some extent in the MTV fueled 80s. I guess Metallica is the ultimate hair band since they had long hair in the 80s and half of them don’t now. Hair metal also becomes a bit crazy of a descriptor because people lump in any metal band that was on regular MTV rotation in the 80s or a had a ballad. Queensryche is the best example of this.

Glam would be the more image based bands and the ones influenced by 70s glam rock or those that put image at the forefront they tend to have more of a punk rock inlfuence like bands like Hanoi Rocks, Motley Crue, Stryper, Poison, Steel Panther, Twisted Sister etc.

Pop metal would be the bands that might be considered 80s hard rock by some people. Heavier than 70s hard rock but still light on the metal spectrum. Van Halen, GNR, Def Leppard, Winger, Warrant, Extreme, Europe, Bon Jovi, Whitesnake, Great White, Tesla, etc.

I’d consider glam to be a subset of pop metal.

Glam metal

Pop metal

Bonus, the 80s were a weird time (that’s Celtic Frost btw)

Pretty much every 80s metal band that made videos had some ridiculous videos

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I asked what people thought the difference was (if any) between glam metal and pop metal. Regarding the term “hair metal” I wasn’t asking anything. I wrote “…you can tell which people on YouTube in the comments section actually were part of the 80s metal scene and which people were either not born yet or weren’t old enough yet to be part of the 80s metal scene. If they use the term “hair metal” to describe a glam metal or pop metal band, they weren’t there!”

We had the term posers in Tampa as well. It was used to describe someone who posed as if they were part of something they were not. Kanye West wearing a Testament t-shirt brings to mind the term “poser.”

In tampa we had everything from glam metal bands to death metal. The Rock-It Club was my favorite club in the Tampa Bay area (Tampa, St. Pete, and Clearwater) and they had everything from local bands like Roxx Gang to National bands like Skid Row. The had heavier bands there too like Savatage. I aw them there twice when Criss Oliva was still alive. Then there were clubs that specialized in thrash and death metal. My friends in Blackkout played at clubs like The Sunset Club and Club 19. They were a progressive, power metal - almost thrash band. Here’s a song by them. Richard Elliott is the vocalist and guitarist. He also plays the flute on this song. Someone misspelled their name as “Blackout” in the description of this video, but anyway, this is Blackkout - by far my favorite local level Tampa Bay metal band at the time!

Here’a a song with more of a guitar solo:

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I’m 46. We said everything I said we said, and people who dressed that way and played in bands and went to the clubs actually called themselves posers. The US is a damn big place, and big blanket statements about what it is and isn’t usually fall short.

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I just remember ‘glam’ used to be sorta a cool label in the late 70’s/early 80’s… and by the time Poison came into the scene… it became sorta a sissy label. But it was a terrible way to group music… because many had totally different sounds… and the only thing they had in common was makeup.

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That’s a very accurate description of how things were in the 80s. All the metal bands from the 80s that come to mind now had long hair. Some bands had more volume to their hair which often gets called “big hair” but that was the style in the 80s. So if you were going to try to categorize a band based solely on the length and/or volume of their hair, good luck! Musicians that previously didn’t have “big hair” prior to the 80s often did during the 80s because that was just what was in style. Ozzy had it. The guys in Judas Priest (except Halford) did. KISS did. I could name examples all day. It was the look - not necessarily the music that changed. Then in the 90s it went back to hairstyles with less volume. It has little or nothing to do with the music they played which is why there would have been no point in calling some metal bands “hair bands” at the time. There was thrash metal. “Thrash” was a musical style. There was glam metal. “Glam” was a musical style. “Hair” was not a musical style.

Like pop vs. soda :slight_smile:

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Nearly everyone in the south calls it coke.

Indeed. I just texted my friend who bartended at these clubs and did so into the '90s industrial scene, what terms he remembers being used and when. It’s possible I’m misremembering.

Pop Metal is all the rich daddy’s boys on the hard rock stations with PRS and Schecter guitars. Daddy’s payola gets their no-talent ass on the air and promotes them.

Glam Metal is dudes that look like chics.

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First time I ever encountered that was Parker Posey’s character in the movie “Waiting for Guffman”.

And this map made the rounds online a few years ago:

Most interesting part to me is the island of “soda” radiating from St. Louis.

Edit: Someone wrote an article about the St. Louis thing:

And I stumbled across a forum post that claims the explanation is that the term “pop” was popularized by the Detroit brand “Faygo”, which expanded it’s distribution across the midwest once the food-science wizards figured out how to give the drinks a longer shelf-life. But Faygo failed to crack the market in St. Louis due to the strength of the local “Vess” brand. Hence St. Louis didn’t join the “pop” linguistic movement. I suppose the strength of Vess also fended off the southern “Coke” influence.

http://www.urbanreviewstl.com/2012/02/st-louis-more-an-island-than-i-thought/

(And I think it’s already widely known that the generic use of “Coke” in the south is connected to Coca-Cola’s roots in Atlanta. Though I personally didn’t learn about it until Atlanta hosted the 1996 Summer Olympics.)

I really want to know what the “other” is.

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I grew up in Rhode Island…maybe about 3-4 hour drive from @Troy’s area.
I don’t recall the term “hair metal or hair bands” being used in the 80’s (I’m 45 y/o). I remember that as coming into use during the 90’s sometime.
We also used the word Poser. It was definitely an insult. The last thing you wanted to be was a Poser.
It was totally NOT cool to like Bon jovi…at least not publicly. Lol
The bands you were supposed to publicly like were Dio, Maiden, etc…

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Hey everyone dabbled…

Here’s Pantera with the hairspray…

And a few years later without…

Dimebag still rips in both cases though :slight_smile:

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Yep. Before he was “Dimebag Darrell”, he was “Diamond Darrell”:

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Yes, “poser” was definitely not an admirable thing to be. In Tampa, Florida it meant basically what it sounds like - somebody “posing” as something they are not.

I’m from Maryland but didn’t go to clubs until I was in college, which for me was USF in Tampa, I remember the shows at the rock 'n roll clubs in Washington D.C. - which is near the part of Maryland in which I went to high school - you had to be of drinking age to get in so that was 21 years old and I was 17 when I graduated high school. There were still some people I talked to in Maryland that I would see when I came home for the summer and the expressions like “poser” seemed to be basically the same in Maryland as in Florida. It sounds like they’re the same in Rhode Island as well.

I knew a guy from high school who liked Bon Jovi when he was in high school although Van Halen was his favorite band and he learned all the Van Halen and Randy Rhoads solos in his first two years of playing the guitar. He started playing guitar at least a year before I did so I learned some things from him when I finally got an electric guitar at 16 years old and jammed with him. He didn’t hide that he liked Bon Jovi but our high school was not the typical American High school in the 80s. I was class of '86 so you’d think there would have been lots of kids into metal, right? Well, there were just a few. Most of the kids in my high school liked very mainstream rock like Bruce Springsteen. I would wear concert t-shirts of bands like Dio, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Metallica to school but I was one of just a few who did.

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He should have stayed with the name “Diamond Darrell” but not those clothes; they look effeminate. “Diamond” is a lot better than “Dimebag” though. Going from Diamond to Dimebag sounds like a demotion to me, LOL. Why would somebody want to be named after a cheap bag of drugs rather than a diamond? He was a great guitar player but not the brightest guy around. I recently read Rex Brown’s autobiography and he and Phil had a hard time tolerating the juvenile behavior and mindset of the Abbott brothers according to Rex. Also Rex said one day Darrell knocked on his door and when Rex opened it, Darrell said “I think I might be broke.” That’s when they were making a ton of money, but Darrell was spending it even faster than he was making it. Rex said he couldn’t believe somebody would say such a stupid thing as Darrell did. Have you read it?

They actually had to have 2 separate touring buses - one for the Abbotts and one for Phil and Rex - that’s how bad things got before they broke up. It seemed like nobody liked Vinnie Paul. Even Darrell had a hard time being around Vinnie.

I always thought half of the point of glam/hair metal bands was to deliberately look effeminate. Kind of a two-fingers to the typical ‘jock’ look of the sports guys. Musicians and artists have always played with looking androgynous as a way to rebel against the typical masculine/feminine clothes styles of the more conservative types in society. Although that was already confusing in the 80s with guys having very elaborate hair styles and women wearing big shoulder pads… :slight_smile:

No, I haven’t read it. In an odd turn of events, I just found out via google that Vinnie actually died just a few days ago:

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It’s funny you should bring that up. A few weeks ago I was watching an episode of an old TV show from the 80s with a girl I know who also went to high school in the 80s and liked that show as well. She was commenting on the size of the shoulder pads one of the female characters was wearing and I said to her: “I don’t know what the point was for women to wear shoulder pads. 've never been attracted to a woman because of her big shoulders” and she laughed. Then she said she thought it was probably an attempt to make their waists look small. Their shoulders looking so broad might have the effect of making their waists look smaller than they were in comparison to the wide shoulders.

That might be it. If it was the point, then no wonder I never got into the glam look. I had long hair, but every heavy metal musician except Rob Halford had long hair back then! There was no way I was going to give the finger to the jock look of sports guys because while I wasn’t a big sports guy, I was well known in my high school for being heavily into lifting weights since I’d started training with weights at 10 years old. I always loved the look of a muscular physique and one of my favorite movies was Conan The Barbarian starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. it was his first movie to become that successful and remained his biggest hit movie until The Terminator, which I also loved! Conan, however had the look I wanted to emulate - a long haired, very powerful looking guy. Of course, I liked wearing a motorcycle jacket just like The Terminator did, so I guess my look was an attempt at a combination of Conan and The Terminator. I’m not over six feet tall like Arnold, and I’m not even close to six feet tall. I was pretty strong for my size though.

So, if your theory is correct it’s no wonder I never got into the glam metal look. I would have been giving myself the finger! I never had the slightest desire to appear androgynous and I’ve never understood why any man would desire that look. I do understand that for whatever reason, there were quite a few girls who particularly liked the look of the glam metal bands. The glam and the pop metal bands attracted a hell of a lot more women to the metal scene than the other new style of metal that appeared in the 80s - the thrash bands like Slayer and Anthrax.

While the thrash metal guys would insult the glam metal bands and call them posers, I tried to avoid doing that, although that sometimes became difficult in extreme cases such as the look Vinnie Vincent had during the time period when he was featured in Guitar For The Practicing Musician’s poster one month. He looked like he was dressed in something he found at Victoria’s Secret. In general while I only listened to a little bit of glam, the reason I never resented them was because unlike the thrash bands like Slayer and Anthrax which was the new 80s trend at the opposite side of the spectrum from Motley Crue and Ratt, glam bands attracted a ton of hot women in miniskirts and high heels to the hard rock and metal nightclubs which were only patronized by men when a band like Slayer or Anthrax played. Whether you liked the music or not, you had to appreciate that sorely needed influx of hot women into the metal scene that glam bands were largely responsible for along with pop metal bands like Def Leppard and Whitesnake.

Some of the women had never before listened to any music with loud guitars until they got into a
band like Motley Crue. But after they grew to like the crunch of a loud, heavily distorted guitar, some of those women got into bands with more musical integrity like Dio, Queensryche and
Judas Priest. Those were my favorite bands so I though glam bands were great for the business. Nobody could force you to listen to a type of heavy metal or hard rock you didn’t want to listen to, and I rarely listened to bands like Motley Crue but I certainly appreciated being able to go to a show and hear music with a heavy guitar sound while being in a club that had hot girls wearing leather miniskirts and high heels.

I went to thrash shows too and I saw Slayer at the Tampa Fairgrounds when they were touring on their South Of Heaven tour. They put on a great show but I think just about the only girl in the whole place came there with my friends and I. One of my friends had the slightly evil idea of bringing his new girlfriend along, a girl from France who I don’t think had ever heard heavy metal before to see Slayer with us! Overkill played first, then Motorhead, and finally Slayer… After the final Slayer encore, she asked us: “Why did they have the other two bands? Why didn’t they have Slayer play three times longer instead”? What a great thing for her to say!!!

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Yeah, that’s a shame! He was very young to die in his sleep. he was a great drummer.

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