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Thank you, Ian, for the kind words. That was my first experience ever at recording my own songs. My good friend and phenomenal singer, Phil Leite of Empyria in British Columbia, flew down to Dallas, TX and we worked 10 days and produced 10 songs and recorded them in my little home studio. In the morning, we would piece the music together (drums, guitars, bass) and then at night he would write the lyrics before he went to sleep. The next morning, we would record the vocals and move on to the next song. It was the most inspiring time in my life. I’ve since, recorded songs in a pro studio for two different bands.

I’m putting myself in position financially to write and record more songs, as well as, set up a YouTube channel pertaining to everything guitar!

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Life’s good for these YT stars, imagine getting to play the theme to Super Mario Bros with John Petrucci and then John gives you a guitar.

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It’s nice work if you can get it.

when you think about it, these Youtube guys may not be writing songs, but they have to come up with fresh material for each video. Each video would take planning, scripting, and a certain amount of planning, They they have to edit it. They are performers of another kind really.

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Empyria! I played a gig with those guys and saw them a few times at shows around BC. Dude could really sing and their guitarist played in THOR a couple times when I saw them as well. I remember seeing Empyria alongside a bunch of hooped-up deathcore bands with the snoopy haircuts. After their first song I heard someone yell “finally the REAL metal showed up” and the place just erupted.

“I dunno, if you can get hundreds of thousands of people to see your music one way, and no one to see your music the other way, I can see why you might pick the one over the other.”

“Your music”? You missed my point entirely. They aren’t playing their music; they’re playing someone’s else’s guitar part in a song someone else wrote. The rest of the parts aren’t even being played; they’re being heard - not played. They’re being heard on a backing track.

I think I made this point fairly clear in my opening paragraph - “Today, when I watch young players on YouTube I see an overabundance of players not only playing a cover song rather than something that came from their own mind, but the even have “backing tracks” they play along with instead of playing the song with a band. Why don’t these guys have bands and why aren’t they playing original songs with their bands…”

I’ve read the story of SIR #39 (or #37?) I forget which. Funny story. The mod wasn’t really that sophisticated from what I recall, it was basically another preamp tube thrown into the mix. But back in the pre-SLO / Rectifier days, “high gain” just wasn’t a thing without a pedal, so I can understand the fuss.

I dropped it off at Main Drag music in Brooklyn yesterday. Popular spot, they should be fine with whatever basic thing my amp needs. Probably a cap or something. I hope anyway.

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Maybe it’s because that a lot of the popular YouTube guitarists strive to be performers and not songwriters. There are plenty of guitarists and bands on YouTube with original content but they don’t have big channels.

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That’s him. Mark had the “brown” sound down.

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You sound jealous of their proficiency, or just an old man screaming “get out of my yard!” Horses for courses. Be thankful not everyone is another you.

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You are so absolutely right, which is why I have ZERO INTENTION of ever dealing with that again.

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“You sound jealous of their proficiency, or just an old man screaming “get out of my yard!” Horses for courses.”

What proficiency? Learn to read. My criticism concerns the fact that their playing doesn’t come from their own minds. They’re just repeating songs that in some cases were written over 30 years ago… You sound like a fan of karaoke since that’s basically what it is - guitar karaoke. But then, it’s not surprising you’d like them since karaoke is popular with plenty of people who wouldn’t be able to write a decent song to save their lives.

“Be thankful not everyone is another you.”

Be thankful the internet made it possible for a generation of cowards who never had to learn the principle of being accountable for their words to type anything they want about someone they don’t even know just as long, of course, as they’re more than an arm’s distance away from his fist.

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Guys @Acecrusher @Donny we’re all here comrades in axes here so let’s try to keep it civil. Lord knows I have expressed my fair share of “old man yells at clouds” sentiments at various times. I’m getting older and crankier by the nanosecond. It’s a daily struggle. That, and shaving before I film anything so I don’t look homeless.

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Thank you you managed to say concisely what I was trying to say above in too many words :sunglasses:

Great musicians can be performers and/or composers. Some people are both, some not.

“Hey @Acecrusher and @Donny I feel your pain. I’ve gotten real pissed on here a few times. I am trying to stay out of a lot of stuff. I know I am aggravating and that causes smack talk. I will say that I don’t respect the YouTubers that play to the Original Album track. That is kinda lame.”

Hey Hanky, I can assure you that I, for one, certainly don’t find you aggravating. Thank you very much for your sentiments but I can assure you I am not in pain. Yesterday, somebody felt that he had the right to attack me personally on this forum, which up until that happened I had always seen as a forum for adults who are serious about music and don’t litter Troy’s forum by posting random drawings. Until yesterday I had never seen a forum member make a personal attack on another forum member. This forum had always struck me as a forum for people who are serious about guitar playing and have the class and maturity to know that if you disagree with someone’s opinions, the correct response is to counter the argument he makes to support his opinions with an argument with which to support your own opinion. resorting to making cheap personal attacks instead, for whatever reason - even if that reason is the person doesn’t know how to form a rational dissenting argument to the original argument put forth - is unacceptable.

Someone who was posting here yesterday felt otherwise. he seems to feel hat apparently class and manners aren’t necessary to co–exist with others in civilized society. I had to let that person know he was wrong. and that unprovoked personal attacks, and unprovoked is the key word there, are unacceptable in a civilized forum in which we all must make an effort to treat others as “comrades in axes” as Troy succinctly put it, so as to make this forum a place where guitarists of different tastes and opinions may all participate and get the greatest possible benefit out of the experience of interacting with each other here.

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"I understand the sentiment. We live in a society where we have been taught (brainwashed would be a better term) that competition is a “good thing” and that we should embrace and participate in competition.

I remember, when I first started playing I made progress fast, and suddenly I was “better” than all my guitar playing friends. This was often emphasized. In a competitive culture we are comparing and judging constantly."

Hello nitro1976, Soory to get back to your post so late. By the way, is your screen name a reference to the 80’s band Nitro with Jim Gillette and Michael Angelo?

Your post raises a philosophical issue, which interests me since philosophy is a great interest of mine. You are correct in stating “In a competitive culture we are comparing and judging constantly.” However, comparing and judging our not a byproduct of our culture being competitive so much as they are simply a necessary component of any rational human society.

You may ask “Why are constant judging and comparing a necessary component of any rational society”? The answer is that we wouldn’t be able to live rationally without doing those things. Humans are the only animals who are unable to survive using only instinct. For us to survive, we must use our minds in a logical, rational manner. Lacking the necessary instincts to survive and thrive on our instincts alone, our only reasonable option is to survive by using rational thought.

Comparing and judging are the results of using our minds rationally. When choosing a home, we must compare the options available to us to be able to judge which would make the best choice for a home. When buying a car we must compare the cars available to us within out price range, compare their attributes as well as their less desirable characteristics to form an overall opinion of which car we judge to be most suitable for our
needs. When choosing a mate there are likely to be several potential mates all competing for us to choose
them and at the same time, there are likely to be several potential suitors all competing for the affections of each of those young maidens, each trying to “win the competition” by trying to convince her that he will provide her with a better future than any of her other suitors would be capable of providing. This puts her in the position of comparing the attributes of each of these men and by comparing all the positive and negative attributes
which they possess, she is thereby able to make a judgement as to whose proposal to marry she will accept.

So you see, being competitive, constantly comparing, and constantly making judgements are not the result of some evil brainwashing scheme. To the contrary, comparing and making judgements are the logical results or rational thought! To refuse to compare and make judgements would be to decide all available homes within our price range will be equally suitable to us, all the cars within our price range will make an equally intelligent purchase, and any available young maiden would make an equally suitable wife! To live our lives that way would be absolutely disastrous, if it would even be possible, which I seriously doubt because of the fact we are rational beings capable of logical thought and I am glad of it!

Hi Ace, you made some interesting points. First about my screenname, I have been using it for years, the Nitro part comes from a computergame I used to play when I was 14. The 1976 part is my birthyear, so unfortunately it’s not related to shredding, that would be cool.

About our philosophical argument, you are right in that we need judgment to function. The problem is the different meanings the word “judgment” can have.

You can judge if the street is safe to cross. But you can also judge someone on the color of his skin.

So if judging is “right or wrong” depends on the context. Everybody has preferences. So there is automatically judgment involved when you have to choose between things.

What I am opposed to is the winner-loser mentality. That there can only be one winner and the rest are losers. This is clearly taught and enforced in our culture, just look at sports.

When “winning” is the goal, there is also something as “losing”, and if you put it that way there is only one winner and the rest are losers. The funny thing is that people are not even using the winner-loser system correctly.

For example, let’s say a child won a chess tournament. We call him “the winner”, but technically he is a “loser”, because he would lose to a grandmaster.

In my opinion it would be much better if a competition would be viewed not as who is better and who is worse, but more like a test of your current abilities.

That is much more true to what it actually is and much more constructive. Instead of classifying coming in second as “inferior” or being a “loser”, you would just see it as a test and objectively observe what needs to be improved and what is working fine.

In music it holds even more true, because everyone argues about why soandso is “the best” guitarist, but unless you define and agree upon measurable criteria, there is no way of deciding who “the best” is.

But again, I know what you mean. If you want to become a session player, and the producer will have a choice out of 10 different players, you’d better be the one that is “better” ,in his eyes at least, than the rest.

There is no other way when you do things for money. Because money has been made to be scarce, you will have to compete for it.

What I meant in my original post is that I see music as a fundamental thing to be healthy and happy, and what I noticed is that because people feel that they are “bad singers” or “could never be famous” they give up on their musical abilities altogether. I think that is a damn shame and that the competitive aspect certainly plays a negative role in it.

Because when you play music or you want to sing, you should enjoy it first and not feeling that you are competing with Yngwie or Bieber.

So I think we both have a point, I just see it from the point of the amateur and general well-being, you see it from the cut-throat environment of the music business.

Amen.

Hey Nitro, Nice post. I see where you’re coming from. it doesn’t contradict the points I made. You’d agree we all compare and judge when choosing a home, a car, and a wife. Of course in the case of the wife, she is also comparing and judging us. So we are in competition with the other men who are interested in marrying her.

I truly like your point about the singer who gives up what could be a promising future as a singer, even if it’s just as a hobby, singing with a band that is a group of friends who get together in someone’s basement a couple times a week and play music together. Maybe they play the occasional keg party or local club date.

When you write of the ideal being seeing what is wrong as in “what needs improvement” rather than making someone a loser to another singer who performed better on the day of the audition, I have a thought I think you may like regarding that. Maybe what you’re talking abut is that regarding the musician, especially the musician who doesn’t have aspirations for a career in music, instead of being in competition with others, maybe the best way to put it is that the singers should be competing primarily with themselves, trying ti outdo their previous performances so rather than become a winner or a loser, they compete with themselves to become the best singer they can be.

On a different note, I have a concern regarding our economy. Our economic system in The USA has always been capitalism and I’ve always been of the belief that capitalism results in competition between businesses to provide the best product for the lowest price. The winner is the consumers. Until recently anyway it has worked extremely well and it’s no wonder we are a country of immigrants. That’s because so many people have been disgusted with their countries’ governments taking a huge portion of their paycheck in taxes, much higher taxes than we have here. Countless immigrants have moved here in pursuit of The American Dream our capitalist economic system has made possible. Yngwie Malmsteen is a great example of someone who claims his success could never have happened anywhere else but in The USA. He had to leave Sweden to make it as a big rock star.

The problem I see arising as of relatively recently is that the biggest companies drive all the medium and small size companies out of business. While our country was in an earlier stage of its growth, there was plenty of room for large companies, medium sized companies, and even the small mom and pop family owned small business to co-exist. More and more though, I see the large companies like Wal Mart building these gigantic stores with prices so low due to savings by buying their goods in bulk, that no medium or small stores can compete with Wal Mart.

What does that mean for our future? Whereas there used to be good opportunity for a man or woman to own a small or medium sized business, and as owner, make a nice standard of living, as the gigantic Wal Marts of the business world swallow up the medium and small sized companies, we’re entering a stage where instead of there being a nice amount of owners of medium and small businesses making good money by being their own bosses, now the Wal Marts will run them out of business, forcing once proud, happy business owners to go to work for the massive corporate stores in only medium or even low level positions where they only earn fraction of the income they made when they were business owners themselves. This results in a tiny amount of business owners who are incredibly wealthy, and then a huge lower class of people making minimum wage or just a little better than minimum wage as they are forced to go tow work for the people who ran them out of business. This basically wipes out the middle class so that all our country will have left is a tiny but incredibly wealthy upper class, and a massive working class who make so little that they just barely get by living paycheck to paycheck without even enough savings to be able to handle a crisis such as their roof springing a leak and having to pay for a new roof or their car breaking down and needing to buy a new engine.

Regarding competition and society:

People are social animals. Viewing every activity as a zero-sum game can have broader consequences. If a primitive human constantly “out-competes” his tribemates to get the best piece of meat from the antelope everybody worked together to hunt, it won’t be long before his tribemates get sick of his bullshit and band together to turn him into dinner.

I’m also reminded of this video about competitiveness and martial arts training:

Couldn’t agree more, Ace. :+1:t3:

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