I’m not really used to playing more the three string arpeggios without an extra note on a turn around. Just starting to try this out and wanted to confirm I’m not building upon bad habbits.
Thanks in advance 
No, that’s not string hopping.
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Thanks bro, sometimes it feels like its never going to get any better. Wanted to check if I’m in the right direction, I will have to grind till it’s fluid.
It’s likely just because the string grouping is awkward at first. You don’t have that upward wrist extension that would make it a hoping.
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Thanks @Fossegrim, much appreciated. Been reading the other thread on cross picking, I suppose I’m trying to cross pick on larger string groupings in one direction.
That alone almost makes it impossible to hop. What are you using for your arpeggio shapes?
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Good to see you around @Twangsta, and great tone 
! You definitely don’t have a string hopping problems based on the plenty great performances you posted here over the years!
I know the feeling, and when you have that feeling I think it’s a good idea to stop doing the “big reps” and try and analyse a bit better what is happening.
So, am I understanding correctly that this is an arpeggio pattern that goes beyond the Yngwie system? You mentioned you want to use a single note on a string as a turn around, so basically you sweep as much as you can and then do “inside picking” for the turnaround points?
Is it possible to make things easier with hybrid picking, changing the fretting shapes, using pulloffs or similar “tricks”?
By the way, I noticed that some (many? most?) players, when they do these patterns at blazing speed, they actually cheat and double-strike the turnaround note. Look for example at this Gutrhie Govan clip in 1/4 slomo (should begin at 2:36):
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Thanks @tommo, yes that’s exactly it. As you know I have some experience with hybrid, it inherently has speed limitations ( for me atleast ) but more importantly tone limitations, you will grow callouses eventually on your plucking fingertips even but palm muting will always be an issue, I can’t contort my arm more for that, some maybe able to though. I’m going to have to grind it looks like. Been there, will push, I do some everyday, the other motions have stayed with me, I’ve noticed if I’m rusty, it takes two days of hard playing to get back to where I was at my peak, which is not too bad, ofcourse I forget shit, that takes longer
Lately I’ve been diversifying and convenient picking (YJMism) isn’t yet an option for the new material, working on Bach type of things, maybe once I understand it better, I’ll be able to adapt it to the guitar neck in a more native-natural way… not sure yet.
Nothing fancy, no strings skipped with these. The start is malmsteen’s eclipse starting on an A minor, but I play a little more elaborate picking pattern on it, then it’s Emin, Emaj, then it’s the D major where I get tripped up with thee 4/5ths interval stretch I need to stack. So converting a two string, three note arp to a three string arp is what I need to get going further on this tune. I’ll record it slow if you like. I just go with my ears more than theory, and probably make no sense to better ears. I’d like to read more, but also have practical knowledge of how bach modulates and his chord progressions, I’ve seen ted greene’s 4 videos, that blows me away, if I can die doing that I’ll be a happy man.
This is an idea worth considering! I just broke in into different shapes, two strings, first one has two notes on the higher string, second one with the larger interval has two notes on the lower string. This is much more doable. I’ll post the tab later tonight. Thanks @tommo 
So some of those 3 string shapes you are using are a little awkward to play, especially this one:
It kind of has two things against it in that it requires a big jump to get back to the starting note, and the fingering will tend to cause the notes to ring a bit.
You may be able to get it smoother using a slightly less awkward version (and I mean slightly). Like below:
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@Fossegrim I can’t thank you enough for this, I solved it half way, but you did them both on the B string, that’s just brilliant! Thank you
What a great post. Phrase feels hard? Should we just practice the hell out of it until it gets easier? NOPE! Find an easier way 
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It’s all about what your priorities are right?
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String hopping is using the same muscle twice right?
Your playing is great @Twangsta 
That shred run at the end good!
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My understanding of cross picking is a bit vague, I saw the video too long ago. I wasnt sure myself.
Thanks mate 
Yes, you’d often see wrist extension in particular on both the up and downstrokes. This will have a speed limit and come with tension if you try speed it up.
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