Becoming a virtuoso

People could probably argue about that all day lol!

I will say this, I tried playing the intro solo to Texas Flood, attempting to nail every nuance and that killer vibrato. My hands have never been that sore before. And I was using a ‘reasonable’ string gauge, not the crazy 12’s or 13’s I’ve heard SRV used. His stuff is extremely technically challenging to play. It takes a different type of skill than a John Petrucci solo.

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People literally do argue this stuff all day long in pretty much all guitar forums and groups! I tend to stay out of it :joy:

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Define nothing. Anything has the value you attribute to it. If your talking widespread fame and fortune, than yeah, that may be a stretch. Everything else is really up to you.

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You know, it’s funny. I’d been a Satch fan for YEARS before I finally saw him live, at the second G3 tour, and you know what floored me the most that night?

His vibrato.

It’s some of that little stuff that really can make music breath in ways that aren’t necessarily as obvious to you.

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For sure, Satch has excellent vibrato. He’s also extremely melodic, one of my favs.

I don’t know why, but since I always viewed guys that pick everything as “morally superior” (huge lol/sarcasm there…I heard Paul Gilbert tongue-in-cheek say that with mockery in an interview) I never really got into learning many Satch tunes. He’s actually got a pretty cool picking mechanic. Check out this “tremolo” strumming.

He could do some serious damage if he tried applying that to single note stuff. It’s looks really fast, but relaxed too. Not saying he needs to or anything. He clearly took the legato thing and ran with it and that’s his “sound”. It just always interested me how him and Vai have some similarities but Vai explored the picking to a greater degree.

And just in case anyone reading this mistook my smart-assery, I do not think guitarists who choose to not pick all their notes are morally inferior lol! As a 16 year old kid, the machine gun like alt picking of Di Meola and Petrucci was was caught my ear and made me want to practice. That’s all :slight_smile:

Satriani, Kotzen, Holdsworth, Garsed…all freaking incredible. If I could legato like them, I wouldn’t worry about picking much either :slight_smile:

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Well learning a language for example is far more impressive to people and a skill that can acually get you a job.
Sure, we all have our reasons for practicing guitar and get something out of it, but if we were getting paid, or if it was a more viable life skill, then I’m sure we’d all put a lot more work in.

@tommo I was being funny but not really joking. I think prodigious/virtuosic ability is largely inherent. Most studies show it’s a combination of inborn ability, environment and ambition. That’s not to suggest that people that work hard can’t become amazing musicians. And you certainly don’t need to be a virtuoso to create great music. Nor do I equate advanced technical ability with virtuosity. It’s part of it but there are scores of speedy players that are largely unlistenable. It’s nebulous topic which probably doesn’t have a definitive answer. Good stuff to ruminate on though.

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Well what about your own happiness and well being, that’s gotta be worth something. That’s actually worth more to me than any job and something I’m more than happy to spend time on.

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I’m talking about incentives relative to the idea of becoming a virtuoso at a later age.
They are mostly not there, unlike in other areas where if the incentives are there, more people are likely to excel.

Same thing that drew me to malmsteen. It wasn’t the sweeps or the million note per second runs. It was the vibrato, those crazy wide bends, and his sense of harmony.

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And those million notes too …

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I do kind of wonder how much control for single note stuff he really has there - there are some double stops in there, from the looks of it, and he’s doing a lot of muting with his fretting hand too, I think. But yeah, you don’t think of him as an especially fast alternate picker, but that IS rather brisk.

Furthering the tangent - you know whose name never really comes up in these circles, but quietly is kind of stupifying? Andy Timmons.

You’re sort of cruising along, listening to “That Was Then, This is Now,” and then suddenly out of nowhere this happens. :rofl:

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Whoa! Yeah he’s a name I’ve heard and never checked out. Clearly an awesome player!

Andy? Yeah he was in danger danger and the. Later his solo stuff. He did some shreddy stuff with danger danger and then kind of mellowed a bit with his solo career.

Michael Lee firkins is another good player along those lines to check out. He was one of the last shrapnel guys and was done dirty as he was coming up in the early 90’s.

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You can learn to legato like them! You’re totally capable. Takes practice and work but very doable. I learnt legato some years ago. Took a while but got it to a pretty good level. Not as good as Satch or Vinnie Moore. But pretty passable. Get the odd compliment. So go for it if you want to! :slight_smile:

Also love Satch. Many speak of him in virtuoso terms.

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Getting into the opinion area. Which is perfectly viable. Just adds to the confusion surrounding what it is to be a virtuoso. I don’t like Andy Timmons. He’s obviously an amazing guitar player but I’ve never heard something he’s done that I’ve liked. Just melodically. His music does nothing for me. He’s certainly not a prodigy. But that has nothing to do with his writing. Is he a virtuoso? I think so.

This is the best guitar forum currently in my opinion, so why not chat shit :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

“Resolution” is one of my desert island shred discs. Tone for days, feel for days, melody for days… and it’s easy to overlook just how GOOD his technique is. Can’t say enough about his playing.

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Here’s him doing a kind of cool Nuno sounding thing:

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Puppet show is also an insane track on this album. I love Andy. I already loved Danger Danger but his tone and phrasing on his solo records is amazing.

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