Exactly, and no wonder it looked different!
Dude you sound amazing! What was it you needed help with? 
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Thanks youre too kind. I was really trying to pinpoint my motion/slant and get confirmation of what exactly Im doing that feels best right now. That way I can make it stronger. And also because I was explaining how it’s easier for me to start on an upstroke from the low E when alternate picking or a down if ascending economy. But on the high E, it’s easier for me to alternate starting on a down
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By the way, do you do a “double inside” string change in the Paul Gilbert lick? Would be awesome to see that with a magnet-like perspective and good lighting, if you have a way to do it.
Attaching our filming tips which may help if you don;t have an actual magnet 
what do you mean double inside?
I dont have a magnet, but I do have a gopro! so thats my next shot at a decent video lol
Sorry I admit that was not so clear! I mean something like this, where you play twice a downstroke on a higher string followed by an upstroke on a lower string:
-------4---4---------
-4-5-7---7---7-5-----
U D U D U D U D
This is considered a traditionally “hard” thing to do and many players tend to avoid it - but if I am not mistaken you are doing it effortlessly!
yes wow, i will say it is hard because the pick feels like it bounces between the strings and there is a little loss of control. But thats how I naturally gravitated towards these hard alternate lines. And I never knew if I should make it stronger or choose different licks. I will say not often will you find me hitting the 4 with a Downstroke a second time much often. I can do it but Id rather move up or down the string or keep going across. Like I said it is a bit harder to tame, but it’s much more natural to my right hand
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Do you have any other examples I can try that would use this method of picking? I will take some videos for you because now Im even more curious. Or is it only this one instance?
Ah another famous example is the “Jimmy Page” lick: a pentatonic played in groups of 3 like: 1-2-3, 2-3-4, 3-4-5 etc.
IIRC if you ascend this pattern starting on a downstroke, or descend starting on a upstroke, you get all-inside string changes. Here is an attempt I did a while ago - sorry for the terrible audio!
Are you a KISS fan? Is this the same as the first lick from the Love Gun solo?
and if Im not mistaken, are you not doing the double inside because youre starting on a downstroke?
Haha I don’t know much about Kiss actually! I thought this lick was made famous by Jimmy Page, but it’s kind of a cliché I guess!
Correct, I start the ascending portion with a downstroke so that it becomes all inside. Pretty hard to do it this way for me, indeed you can see that some notes come out clean, others a bit less.
Here’s a video i tried to make with a gopro and jawclamp attached to my guitar body. Sound is garageband from macbook speakers at a high volume so very tinny but you can hear. Lmk what you think!
1st lick is the Paul Gilbert lick
2nd lick is the first part of the Miracle Man solo. I was explaining above how I start that sequence on an upstroke and basically inside pick it because it is so hard for me to go down down up and then restart
3rd lick is just something ive been working on trying to stretch out E minor
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Meant to tag you in the video post, but I think i accidentally replied to myself lol
any thoughts? Im curious to learn more about my picking!
I wonder how it feels to be so much in control of something. This looks completely effortless.
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Hey @carranoj25, thanks for filming sorry for the delay! The other job can be distracting Analysing your video is on my to do list and I should be able to have a good look in the next couple days!
oh no worries man thanks so much for your efforts
Hey @carranoj25, I spent some time looking at your videos, also using the slow-down function of YT. I focused mainly on this lick:
I think I agree with @Drew that your main picking motion looks like USX with wrist motion an a “lightly supinated” arm position. So I assume everything that is even numbers of notes per string (starting on a downstroke) feels very easy for you?
But of course you are also able to do the upstroke string change! The way you do it is still a bit mysterious to me as your movements are pretty minimalistic and the videos are a bit dark - it’s not so easy to see the pick and the way it interacts with the strings.
I am pretty sure you are nailing the “normal” Gilbert lick, but in the “double up” version it looks like some of the string changes may not be fully executed - yet it sounds pretty convincing when played at full speed. Pretty interesting. Could it be that one of the notes is a hammer on or something similar? Or even something crazier where you pick the muted E string while doing a “hammer on from nowhere” on the B string (@Troy calls this Displacement, and it’s a technique used by none other than Eddie Van Halen!)
If you are not sick of filming this lick it would be great to look at one more take where we can see both the pick and the strings clearly (for example using a pick of a bright colour like white or yellow). Something with lighting similar to this would be ideal:
Is the upstroke string change just considered inside picking? I will definitely keep filming and get a better visual for sure. And get better lighting. I honestly dont know how im not fully executing the string change and still getting the sound, I dont think there are any hammer ons but we will have to keep investigating!