Bouncing/Cross picking over triad examples

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#1

Hi guys.

I recently signed on for a year membership having been really impressed with the amount of though that have gone into the free YouTube videos.

It seems I’m a natural upward pick slanter, so I’m sold on the concept. However every time I’ve come across Troy giving examples for not cross picking I’ve seen a triad in second inversion being played, but then when the example for pick slanting is given there are only 2 strings involved. Which to me seems like a totally different animal.

https://troygrady.com/primer/upward-pickslanting/strunz-farah/chapter-1-ardeshirs-upward-pickslant/

I was just wondering if there were any examples of pick slating using alternate picking across triads over separate strings? I’m sure I’ll see something in the Steve Morse course, but it’s been a bit of a bummer to not really have apples compared to apples in the videos.

Any help is much appreciated.

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#2

If I follow your question correctly, which I interpret as “are there situations where one-way-pickslanting is used to play one-note-per-string patterns,” then the answer is no.

In upward pickslanting, your pick “escapes” the plane of the strings on downstrokes, and falls inside the plane of the strings on upstrokes. So, string changes are very easy on upstrokes, and extremely awkward on downstrokes. Therefore, you always want to have your last picked note before a string change be a downstroke, lifting the pick away from the strings.

To play one-note-a-string patterns, you need to either use some sort of a two-way-escaped motion (crosspicking) or explore alternate approaches like hybrid picking, bringing in plucked notes between picked.

I could be totally misunderstanding you though!

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#3

I had to read this twice, but I see you’re probably referring to the first note on the new string. When I describe this I usually say that uwps downstroke string changes are what you want because the downstroke is the pickstroke that escapes. If that’s what you meant that is totally fine. Just clarifying in case something I’ve said appears to contradict this - it doesn’t. I think we’re just thinking about the opposite pickstroke.

#4

Not really following! As @Drew points out you can’t do a three-string, one-note-per-string figure with one-way pickslanting. If that’s your question then he’s right on target.

However, you can do such a thing with same arm position almost the same hand movement you use for one-way pickslanting. The explanation of all that is here and I highly recommend watching it for all sorts of reasons even beyond crosspicking itself

https://troygrady.com/channels/talking-the-code/crosspicking-with-the-wrist/

I would be careful thinking of yourself as a “natural” for any particular type of thing. Historically we all got way hung up on whatever technique we happened to get halfway good at, because common wisdom told us there was a way that would be more “natural” for us, and we should find that way and stick to it. Instead, we just never had good instructions on how to do these different motions, so a bunch of us (cough, cough) wasted a million years thinking we knew something we didn’t know - time we could have spent learning lots of ways and improving in the process.

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#5

No, I just totally misspoke, lol. I was thinking upwards escape and writing upstroke, so what I meant was string changes are very easy on _down_strokes, where the string escapes upwards above the plane of the strings.

Don’t mind me, long week, lol.