Chromatic 4nps exercises. .. useful??

I’ve come across many top guitarists promoting 4nps chromatic exercises in every possible permutation, as a way to build finger independence, dexterity, and for making it easier for the brain to play complex passages.

Vai, Petrucci, and Govan all preach the virtues of these exercises. … I know Troy has little use for them and I tend to agree. …

What are your thoughts?

These days I am doing quite a lot of the ascending 1234 exercise (across 6 strings), because it brings up a particular combination of string changes and string tracking that I find difficult. So essentially I’m only using it because it’s an easy way to work on a particular problem that I have.

In general I’m not sure how useful it is to go through every permutation, it can take ages!

I used to do these a lot because I love the chromatic parts in the Megadeth songs “In My Darkest Hour” and “Sweating Bullets”

I like chromatic lines, but I don’t really use them for improving picking… I think they are great for developing legato skills… specifically pull-offs.

When it comes to playing chromatics, I think they sound better using 5nps, either sliding the index finger or the pinky for that fifth note. I saw Rick Graham do it… and I thought it sounded a lot more fluid. But I know most guitarists don’t do that.

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Funnily enough, I just posted on another thread why I practice it. I find it beneficial mainly for improving my 2WPS by practicing UWPS. UWPS is my “weaker” pickslant (especially when ascending to a new string), so the more I bed in that motion the easier it is to incorporate into my 2WPS.

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It seems to me the benefit is solely mechanical, which is fine, but aren’t there enough diatonic exercises that can help you achieve musicality along with technical ability?

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For picking 4 (or especially 2) NPS ascending starting on the upstroke… I actually found that any sort of fretting actually hurt my progress. As soon I starting fretting the notes, my muscle memory kicked in… and wanted to revert to trying to switch starting on a downstroke. So I actually had to pick the patterns with no fretting at all. I still do this when warming up… 2 NPS up and down with just a bar chord. It’s a bit boring, but it kinda cleans things up for me a bit.

Its funny how changing the slightest thing becomes a roadblock sometimes!

Out of interest, how did it hurt your progress? Just because it is difficult, does it mean that it was bad? I have to admit, it was infuriating to get the UWPS 2/4 NPS thing going and it is still lagging behind my DWPS version, but the more I practice it, the easier/smoother my 2WPS has become.

True, but most lines that you are likely to play 3nps for example, will only use UWPS some of the time (especially when you have a definite primary pickslant), the mechanical approach in this instance forces you to use the UWPS all the time - until it is more comfortable. It is generally better (and more fun) to learn and practice ‘real world’ licks, but if you have a specific problem that is a mechanical problem, then a mechanical solution that places laser beam focus on the problem is in my opinion, very useful.

I think its because I can really only learn one thing at a time. So no matter how many times I tried it with the fretting… it fell apart… it was just too deep in my muscle memory. So I had to separate the two. Currently what I’ll do is start 2 note per string picking… and then I’ll add in the fretting after a minute or so.

Ok, I get ya! Makes sense…