For people Who Cannot do Vulcan Hand Salute

My inability to do the Vulcan hand salute has been a life-long struggle. Not as a Sci-fan, but as a serious guitar student. Since the beginning, controlling the ring and pinky fingers, independently, has formed many obstacles that have taken thousands of hours of play and practice to tame to a reasonable degree. But that independent movement is at best moderate and only in my fretting hand.

At no time is this “dysfunction” (for lack of a better word) more apparent than when I put a Slide onto one of my fingers. A slide on my Ring or Pinky finger is catastrophic, as when one of those fingers moves, so too does the other. However, the slide on my Middle finger is perfectly stable and manageable and is how I’m learning to play slide guitar.

So when I see successful guitarist with the Slide on their middle-finger I generally assume that they too cannot do the Vulcan hand salute and have overcome that same issue themselves and it inspires me.

My question is mainly of a physiological nature as there seems to be relatively little information on the subject. I only recently found out that there are more people out there like this and that it has something to do with… tendons (I think?).

So I was wondering if at any point @Troy or anyone apart of your team has come across this topic with any medical experts or if you had cross-referenced this data point with any or all of the amazing guitarists you have interviewed and or spoken with during your research for this incredible program you’ve put together?

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Haven’t really looked at this, but I could never do the Vulcan thing either. I mean, I can force it with two hands, and then take my other hand away and get it to stay there, but it’s not easy or anything. To be honest I just don’t do anything like that in guitar playing. I just religiously avoid anything that seems awkward. I think that’s the best solution, honestly!

Thanks for a speedy reply! That’s awesome. Thanks of Cracking the Code too. Even those Pick History 101 vids were great. I got a assorted pick bag the other day. I never in a million years would have tried a pointy-tipped, 1.0 thickness pick and thought, “this is gonna be great.” But I did, and it was! lol Boosted my bpm considerably. Anywho, if you ever find out about the Vulcan hand thing I’d like to know. I’ve got some practice to do. Take Care! :slight_smile:

This is interesting, I played a 5-string banjo, and part of the right-hand technique is finger picks on the thumb, index, middle and the ring and pinky should stay placed on the banjo skin. However, whenever I played, my ring finger would also move, so I would get frustrated as I couldn’t keep my ring finger in position. I then read that it has something to do with a tendon in the finger but haven’t looked into it any further. Coincidentally, I can make that volcan hand sign, although I had to google it in case it was guitar terminology I wasn’t familiar with, lol. I do feel your frustration.

I guess from my standpoint, if there were an answer for you, what would you do with this information? Really the only three possible outcomes are:

1.) Find another way to do what you want to do. (Sounds like you already have)

2.) keep at it, potentially beating your head against the wall with the hope that “one day”.

3.) give up all together

I’m not really sure that having having a definitive answer to this will force you to make a more informed decision other than the one you probably already reached with out it. And it potentially might just inform a counter productive one.

What would I do with this information? Hmmm… I… would have an itch… scratched? Lmao :rofl:

Look, listen: Grunge/Alternative was popular during my teenage(learning guitar) years. There was a strong anti-intellectualism ideology amongst these players as a rebellion against the 80’s shred wizardry and I foolishly allowed those charlatans to spoon feed me that garbage for my first 12 years of playing guitar. (The fact that people turned pop/punk band Green Days “American Idiot” into a Broadway musical as if it were some form of high art boggles my mind.)

Once I’d stood on the plateau of Mt. Stupid long enough, my curiosity strapped a parachute on my back and I jumped toward the light of theory, technique, diatonic harmony, and organized practice. While gliding down, the bliss of new information was tainted by the bitterness of having been led astray for so many years by pied pipers; some of whom turned out to be either half or full-blown illusionists, men who say they don’t study or practice or know anything, but actually do or at least know more than they let on to know.
This musical anti-intellectualism isn’t as prevalent today as we live in the digital world, where the entire musical lexicon of the history of mankind is at the fingertips of everyone connected to the web, which makes it more difficult for the BS artists to look people in the eye and say, “yeah, i just play by ear. I don’t know theory, scales, or none of that stuff” with a straight face. The movie, “The Prestige” is an excellent example. I am now firmly on team, “Lets pull back the curtain!”

My most recent plateau led me here to Cracking the Code. Up until about month ago I was content with allowing my picking hand to just do whatever the heck it wanted to do while my theory/shape/scale hand executed its bends and maneuvers. But again, that nagging that “there is something here that I am missing” took over. Especially after I finally made my way to taking a closer look at “Cliffs of Dover”.
Turns out, there is an entire world of Picking Hand Mechanics I’d never examined. How amazing is that! What’s even better is that, turns out, I’m doing all the different picking styles already, just subconsciously and without names or the supremely useful ability to deploy them at will. Unlearning my thoughtless, bad habits has been brutal while my mind forges new pathways… but it is totally worth it. With these mechanics, and the riddle of my picking hand unlocked, I’m growing as a player exponentially, sometimes daily. It’s incredible and I wish I had found it sooner. There hasn’t been anything I’ve come across in Troy’s expertly crafted program that isn’t ultimately doable with time and practice, even with my slightly clumsy ring/pinky issue. Knowing that the man himself is rockin away with the same goofyness is awesome to know as well.

hmm… I just tried it and it appeared that I can do it but not without some struggling. Then I tried to grab a similar looking chord on my keys, and it worked perfectly with no prob;ems.

I can do it much better with my right hand, looks like it’s time to switch to lefty.

You guys are fk’d when the Aliens come lol

I’m wondering where this correlation to guitar playing came from. Did you just make it up?

Sorry, not sure what correlation to guitar playing are you wondering about? You certainly cannot be doubting the correlation between independent finger motion and the playing of musical instruments because that would just be silly… And I mean like “lead singer” levels of silliness. lol

No I’m doubting the correlation between doing the Vulcan hand thing, and the ability to developing finger independence as it pertains to playing a guitar. It sounds like a poor metric as it pertains to fretting notes on a guitar and something somebody just kinda pulled out of their butt. Where did you hear or read such a thing?

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The Vulcan tone sausage. The rest is a mystery.

Dude, i suggest you should watch The Pickslanting Primer. Particularly the episodes on wrist, forearm, and elbow motion. In those videos, Troy visits a medical facility somewhere and speaks with some Dr.'s and researchers who are amongst the top of their field in elbow, forearm, and wrist mechanics and physiology. Of all the guitar instructors I’ve come across, Mr. Grady is the best informed on those topics and thought he may have gleaned the info which is why I asked him and his team this question. I wish you the best of luck in all your endeavors.

I’m being serious, and I’m genuinely curious where you heard this specific correlation between being able to do the Vulcan salute, and finger independence as it pertains to fretting notes on a guitar? I would like to read the source material.

You want source material on a lived experience anecdote??? :rofl: I wish you the best of luck in all of your endeavors.

Okay… so what you are telling me is that there is no REAL documented correlation between performing the Vulcan hand sign and finger independence as it pertains to fretting notes. Just say it’s your own personal speculation and there’s really nothing empirical about this.

You’re right. You got me. I have a real problem. I have this thing where I get on random internet forums and pretend to be somebody I’m not. I try to sound all smart and intellectual but ultimately always fail when a true intellectual steps in and sleuths out my lies. I’d be humiliated from the absurdity but my ego can’t handle that so I just act dense and pretend it doesn’t bother me. I can’t even see how ridiculous my own behavior is. Thank you calling me out on this shameful behavior pattern. Next time I have no idea what I’m talking about, I should just mind my own business and keep my mouth shut. I’ll try to do better in the future. Thank you for your patience.

I’m not trying to belittle you, and I think you are missing the intention in asking where you came to this conclusion or gathered this specific information. You can’t really just randomly decide a correlation exists somewhere between two things out of the blue without it being considered merely anecdotal in the best of the best cases.

It’s really doing yourself a disservice if you are the one trying to make an informed decision on whether or not to carry on doing something based on this premise.

So I can do these trivially, and I strongly suspect it is absolutely useless for guitar, although I can’t prove it… I’d take Troy’s advice and not mess with anything strange, watch out for what happened to Schumann!