Help identifying my own technique (jazz)

https://youtube.com/shorts/qTHyoerDjiU

I have no set approach to picking at all and I would like to finally start to develop an understanding of how much picking works.

This video is just a transcription I was working on (its sloppy at parts) but it is a decent representation of my technique being applied to actual lines instead of a specific pattern. Pretty much 100% of my technique has come from transcribing hard things, playing them slowly/ developing speed, and subconsciously developing picking habits.

I just joined today and was going through the primer but It made me more confused as there are elements of different things that all feel good and I can’t really identify one approach to focus on over another.

If anyone has any suggestions as to what picking techniques would apply best to where I am at presently I would really appreciate it.

Sounds great, man!

It’s hard to see your forearm in that video, but from I can see, your primary motion looks wrist based. Seems like pretty classic reverse dart thrower motion to me. You also adjust the pickslant for those little sweeps.

Giving technique recommendations for guys who play jazz is always tough. It really depends on the kind of sound you want. Jazz manouche players have a sound, and there’s a very specific way they play. Benson has a sound and a very specific way he plays. There are a handful of guys who pick every note (like Pat Martino) and that requires a double escape approach.

But from what you’re playing, it doesn’t sound like you’re going for any of those approaches. It sounds like you are going for, for lack of a better term, a post Metheny/Scofield sound. Lots of slurs, trying to emulate the phrasing of horn players. What most “modern” players are doing.

My only advice I give to players for that: on scalar lines, as much as you can, pick on the offbeats and slur into downbeats. I say “as much as you can” since, because of string switching, are pretty impractical to play at speed with this approach. It sounds like you’re already pretty much doing this, either consciously or not, which is what will happen if you transcribe horn players and really pay attention to the phrasing.

Because that approach uses so slurring so much, there are many ways to skin a cat (no pun intended). This isn’t bluegrass where strict alternate picking is a crucial part of the sound. If you look at Rosenwinkel, Kreisberg, Adam Rogers, Monder, etc, there’s a pretty wide range of motions that they use.

If you’re playing Sonny Stitt solos along to the records at tempo, I’d say whatever you’re doing is working right now. Is there an area that you feel like you’re struggling with? Otherwise, if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it.

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Fair enough.

I have mostly gravitated to downward pick slanting but a lot of musicians that i like play with a heavy upward pick slant (at least that’s what I think it is). I see it a lot with gospel players like Isaiah Sharkey or jazz players like Benson and maybe Jesse Van Ruller. Its hard for me to identify the pick angle because sometimes it is flat but they play with the thumb pushing into the pick so much that the thumb concaves inward towards the palm of the hand and it makes upward pick slanting the only option for changing the angle of attack.

Is there any real difference between downward pick slanting and upward pick slanting if you adhere to one or the other 100% of the time? Obviously the escape will be opposite of the other but I am confused if there are any technical benefits to be had for me exploring one versus the other.

You’re confusing some terms here. The sort of “reverse” grip you see with Benson, for example, is called trailing edge here. Al Di Meola, John McLaughlin, and such, play with leading edge, which is what you’re doing. Pick slanting is a different matter, separate from grip.

Since you are a MiM member, you should definitely go through the Pickslanting Primer, in order without skipping around - it will go a long way towards helping understand the talk around here.

Jumped the gun on this one. I’ll go back without skipping

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See for me,…I needed to start checking out picking because my picking technique was horrible and didn’t allow me to play certain lines as fast as I need to. You don’t seem to have that problem as much. You look at some of the great jazz players, they never really had a set approach to picking either. And they were still masters. They sounded great and could burn on just about any tune. Right away, Herb Ellis, Jimmy Rainey, Pat Martino, Grant Green. Those guys weren’t concerned with what picking technique they used. They just wanted to play jazz. That’s it.