Picking motion wrong even with DPS

Hi! im new here and this is my first post.
I seem to be having trouble having the correct picking pathway even if I have an extreme downward pick slant and a very supinated position and raised wrist. Im raising the wrist even more and its still not making a difference. At slow speed I can get the correct pathway but it feels impossible to use this motion at fast speed so my position changes a bit and reverts to the neutral picking pathway, still with the correct hand position intact though. this is very frustrating for me

when I go my fastest speed there also seems to be some thumb movement happening, it feels very easy and fluid and fast, but the problem is its such a neutral pathway that it can only be used on a single string. I will attach a youtube video here, hopefully the quality is ok and it can be seen with the slowdown function.

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Welcome to the forum! Your picking looks and sounds great! BUT just like you say, the motion mechanic is totally different at your two different speeds. At slow speed you use forearm rotation and a downward slant, at fast speed it actually looks like wrist flexion and extension and more of a upward slanted motion. I can be wrong here. But anyway the rotation is gone.

This is not a problem at all if you work with it. Let’s assume your fast playing is UWPS then there are a lot of great fast licks that use just that picking strategy. On the other hand, if you want to keep DWPS, then you may benefit from working more on your rotational technique.

Being a “CTC-convert” that discovered the rotational playing style via Troy, I can say that I had very similar problems when I started converting to rotational playing. At fast speeds I reverted back to my old wrist motions that for me wasn’t as smooth.

I think if you want to maintain the rotation at higher speeds you need to maybe use more edge picking. Angles was and is something I experiment with a lot to get the smoothest feeling attack. Also I would try to gradually raise the speed to see where the motion changes from rotation to wrist. I guess there is a point where the body wants to change. Maybe you can work with keeping the rotation there. The motion for me at my highest speeds feels like shaking you hand in mid air. It’s a totally relaxed and natural movement.

There is a resent thread called Qwertygitarr’s picking motion where I discuss a little bit about how I play and how I think about this style of playing. I’m not sure it will help you, it might not be what you’re going for, but it’ll show one way of playing.

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Thanks so much for the detailed reply! Yeah I think you are right, at my fast speed the motion is more like what you say, and I can feel the rotational aspect is completely gone. and also its very easy for me to achieve an UWPS if I want it on my fast speed, but not DWPS. A lot of the players I like use more of a DWPS though, my ultimate goal is too be able to use both interchangeably.
there also seems to be a feeling of my thumb helping the movement at higher speeds although its very subtle, is it ok to keep this?

I can achieve this very relaxed rotation feel like your saying with my hand in mid air but as soon as I put the pick in contact with the strings I cant do it.
Good idea about using more edge picking.

Would you recommend Just doing the same rotational mechanic like im doing in the video until it becomes natural?
Great idea about finding the exact speed that the body wants to change and trying to make it feel natural there though I will try this!

I will check the thread you mentioned

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Consider also your pick grip and the orientation of the pick as it emerges from your grip. Think of a rotational motion mechanic as a “wheel” that is oscillating back and forth through a small range of motion around an axis. If the wheel is centered directly over the “target” string, such that the pick is pointed directly down into the plane of the strings at the center of the range of motion of the rotation, the pick will not “escape the plane of the strings” in either direction with the size of rotational movement we are talking about in a typical rotational “one-way pickslanting” mechanic. Adjusting the pick orientation, and the position of the rotational axis so that at the center of the rotational motion, the tip of the pick is pointing toward the ceiing, even slightly, should result in a rotational motion where the pick “escapes” on upstrokes. Another way to think of this is as a picking motion that is back and forth along the “underside” of the string (i.e. the tip of the pick is at least slightly pointing “up from the floor”). Marty Friedman’s technique is an extreme example of this “attacking the underside of the string” concept that might help you visualize what I’m trying to describe.

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Good tips, Ive tried what you said. it feels like I cant make this rotational movement at anything more than veeeeery slow speed. it feels so unnatural for me. ive been trying this for months and months with no progress so I cant help but feel im not understanding something correctly

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