How fast can you get this? And I am thinking that maybe starting ridiculously fast and working “down” to a base tempo would be effective at squeezing the bpms. Gross to fine, and then over time you see that fine level up, but all the while you are getting acclimated to “fast”. It seems to me that otherwise one might get sort of stuck in that “stringhopping” tempo zone?
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i meant 10-15 phrases that i was learning it was still quite slow.
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but like you said there is this gap between fast and slow if you watch joscho you can see it in his playing i would wager anyways. you will see a more finesse buttery tremolo, compared to a forced rigid hard tremolo that just doesn’t sound as fluid. so the speed thing gets to a point that no matter what it will require tension well if you need to go above and beyond. this is why on acoustic its probably much easier to spot this variance compared to an electric guitar where compression effects will hide it better.
and even these die hards i spotted them swiping like mozes rosenberg with his cover of badinerie (pedal point phrase the dreaded 1 note per string occurance). so they cheat also basically a bigger down stroke to rest move to get that swipe through 1 string to double back to the upstroke. it just makes sense with the turn motion that they might swipe because its kinda like a rhythm guitar maneuver, just keep that same turn motion engine motor going so I get why they swipe. but i mean it just gets to a point you gotta find that way to free the hand up. haha! and you better believe it works, very difficult to perform but when the hands learn it after a few days i saw a quick increase of almost 15% speed jump from 70 to 85% speed.
its like with the tapping or turning of the hand/wrist. you can do it basically tension free in the air, but you can also tense your forearm and elbow to force it to GOOO. 
like rusty cooley heh! i was never a blanka or chun li player in street fighter.
for those here that think extreme guitar shred is tough go do the math on how fast the inputs are that those street fighter players have to do with those insane combos. not only the speed, but they have to have perfect accuracy in time. it blew my mind, and i said f’ that those pro’s are Godlike execution in the heat of battle.
I agree so much here, but the problem is from guitar birth we are shown all these patterns. And even if you aren’t it is still hard to not spot them when technique wise it unfortunately is going to shine through more prominently probably for those who are more mechanically inclined as opposed to someone who is more creative minded. I try now to learn phrases by ear, but still those pesky picking articulation patterns map my mental mind. HAHA But I see the need for it in the infancy of ones guitar journey, but once one knows the rules of whichever picking technique they start to develop a grasp over you have to abandon all tablature to switch over to sounding it out with ones instrument in a mimic phase, and not a note at a time either. has to be more being able to identify the phrase against the soundscape (chord/bass note drone). then trying to develop that mental aural memory and recall of the entire phrase. but even this i don’t believe is going to develop ones ability to speak melody (although i do know there is a kind of octave range at play here, one and a half, so there is at least some boundaries so not to overcomplicate things), no matter how hard one tries. there is a creative aspect that is at play, and this is where i struggle to understand how to coax this out beyond the drone note listening and speaking notes 1 at a time wherever i feel they should go. i hide my feelings i guess! lmao!
I meant 16th notes at 180, this is pretty much my top speed, if I try to go any faster I lose control or I tense up and start getting pain. I am happy with that speed mostly, I would like to be able to play certain things though, and I work through stuff and it takes many many hours of work to get to new levels. I think some people have natural ability to just pick up on stuff quickly and others have to work on it, that is more what I mean. Inate talent for something. My inate talent is I can hear well and pick up songs quickly, not necessarily the solos.
I have frontal lobe damage from an injury, so yes I have been diagnosed with certain neurological limitations. I’ve also had severe ulnar nerve problems to the point I couldn’t even lift my left arm or use the bathroom or clean myself, so I have to be exceptionally careful. I am acutely aware of my limitations and what works and what doesn’t when I find something that works. I used to play semi-professionally before I stopped playing for a decade due to other life issues.
That said you and others have helped me improve my overall technique, through relaxation studies, using bursts, and using a metronome to clean things up. I have found that memory issues have a lot to do with limits, I’ve mentioned this before as well. There is more to playing music than picking technique, and to me it’s not as important as people put on it. So I’ve worked on my legato instead, which I CAN do at very fast speeds.
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