Some easy tips for presenting TAB/notation in the forum, and a template to share

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#4

Ah yes! I know the Soundslice guys and actually have a channel on their new channels format: https://www.soundslice.com/users/JakeEstner/

I forgot about the new free notation feature because I’ve had a teacher account for a while.

Anybody can actually make a channels page and I think can then provide direct links to their soundslice posts (they do not have to include video/audio) as I did here: I transcribed a crazy Rick Graham/Marshall Harrison lick

So if you just make a channels account you can simply write up the tab then dump a direct link in here. yeah, or screenshot the image.

It would be nice if we could paste images right into the text boxes here, because then we could just ‘copy’ the screenshot and paste it right in, rather than having to save the image as a file and upload that file.

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#5

Nice! Yeah they keep adding new features, including very full-featured built in editor, great to see.

I believe on Mac at least screenshots are always saved to a file (to Desktop by default) — but one shortcut is I believe you can just drag and drop an image right into the forum composer window, rather than having to click upload button + select file.

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#6

@Brendan, do you have an account name on there? Thanks in advance. Best, Daniel

#7

I do have a Soundslice account but I don’t have anything posted to it. Soundslice has a “teams” feature so we each have individual logins but just as a way to log in to the linked Cracking the Code account. Haven’t used it yet in a non Cracking the Code capacity :slight_smile:

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#8

I hope to use Soundslice soon, but for the moment you cannot add notes with IOS systems.

#9

MuseScore is a great and fully featured free tab editor and I’d recommend it over any free tab editor. It can do loads more than tab.

https://musescore.org/en

I had been using MuseScore but decided to give Guitar Pro a shot and I love it. I would recommend this for a paid option.

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#10

Now that the iOS app has been updated to Guitar Pro 7 support, all the better!

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#11

Getting a professional looking TAB created has been a real stumbling block for me. Since you basically have to have a pretty complete knowledge of music theory to be able to use the formats that I have tried (Guitar Pro and Sibelius) they are useless to a theory-less idiot like me. I have resorted to just handwriting TABs with all the pertinent notations and then taking a picture of them with my phone or scanning the handwritten sheets. I have a guy that can put the TABs I create into professional TAB software, but it isn’t cheap.

I feel like I have to be a graduate of Julliard to be able to even use TAB software, but I work on a lot of my own transcriptions that I’d like to be able to share more easily. I REALLY want to be able to share the observations and TAB transcriptions of my friend and mentor Bill, which include exact picking directions, left hand fingerings (ie. T=Thumb, I=Index, M=Middle, R=Ring and P=Pinky) and all sorts of notes on articulations, but even with the help of my professional transcriber, the text becomes very dense and hard to read. I’d like to be able to use a contrasting color to define the different articulations (like maybe a blue color just for left hand finger notations and maybe red for Hammers and Pulls?) which would make the notation easier to read. When you combine all the other articulations like slides, pickslides, tremolo bar dives, etc. it gets to be really dense and hard to follow…which is the complete opposite of my intent!

Bill has made some really brilliant observations and TABs covering the work of several artists, but he has been working on Van Halen in particular and I’m trying to do my best to help figure out how to get his observations into a professional and easy to read and understand TAB, and in the best of all possible worlds it would also include standard musical notation. I’d also like to be able to post it on sites like this forum and a few others where anyone could download it and print it out in a common format like a PDF.

I’ll check out the above mentioned formats, but as I’ve said, my experience has been that they are all well above my understanding!

#12

Hey @garbeaj I think the software is pretty easy to use if you understand rhythmic notation - it really doesn’t take a college degree, just maybe a week of futsing around. And I think it’s really valuable as musicians to be familiar with all the nuts and bolts of articulations and rhythm. I got into notation software at a young age and I think it’s done a lot for my musicianship, ability to arrange and even just thinking more compositionally on the guitar.

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#13

I have no concept of rhythmic notation…I just don’t get it. I need a patient guitar teacher basically. Well that and time :slight_smile:

#14

I hear you! It’s not the most intuitive thing, but it’s a totally trainable skill. I bet that hunkering down and learning the fundamentals of rhythm notation, counting etc, will be faster and more valuable than searching for workarounds as you described.

One thing that’s super great about notation programs is you can type stuff in and play it back so you can very bluntly hear the differences between different rhythms

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#15

I agree…but with that being said, there is a huge value to regular TAB, especially when it comes to transcribing. The importance of literally knowing where to put your fingers cannot be overstated in transcribing guitar playing. So much of the tone and sound comes from playing notes in specific places on the neck even though the same pitches can be played in a multitude of places across the fingerboard. I think that both standard notation and TAB are essential.

#16

Hmm maybe you misunderstood (or were just making a separate point) - I’m just referring to TAB programs, all of which you have to program the rhythms, and wasn’t making a comment on the staff/organization of pitches. That’s sort of a different topic but I agree with you that TAB is very useful. However, TAB without rhythm indications (even if it’s a non-standard variation) is extremely limiting.

So here I’m just saying, regardless of whether you organize the pitches with staff notation or TAB, independent of that issue, I think of it as close to essential to be able to notate rhythms at least on a basic level.

Putting it another way I guess; if I write something down in TAB that includes the rhythm and tempo, I can give it to anybody who can read rhythms and they can play the part more or less as it’s supposed to sound.

If I give them TAB without rhythm, only people who know the sound really well will be able to play it in any recognizeable way unless the part is like, all quarters or all eighths

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#17

I learned classical guitar notation first, then started reading tablature when my instructor introduced xeroxes of blues solos. I remember being frustrated with the tab after reading regular notation. Then I became expert at using tablature in the era of Guitar for the Practicing Musician. I like tab for notating how a guitarist likely played something (check my buddy Paul Silbergleit’s jazz solos book on hal leonard), but in general, I prefer my own fingerings and much prefer standard notation in general. So round and round I’ve gone. Here’s Adam Neely’s take on things for perspective, albeit not gospel per se…

#18

I agree with you Jake…I now I think understand what you meant in that you have a system of indicating rhythm in TAB? I thought you were referring to using standard notation for rhythmic notation. Are you simply referring to putting bar lines in TAB or is there some other system?

#19

Guitar pro has a few settings - one of which you simply have the staff notation above the tab - but you have to program the rhythm whether you are inputting the notes in staff notation or tab. If you input in TAB it will automatically put it in staff, so you could literally use it without knowing anything about the staff in terms of pitches, but you do have to know what rhythm to program.

in GP you can also be tab only but have the option of these little lines to indicate rhythm:

here’s an example

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#20

I see…yep, I can’t really use TAB programs because of this pre-requisite.

#21

I prefer uncluttered tab where rhythms are presented by standard notation in a standard notation staff that parallel’s the TAB in a given system. I find it easier to read the more abstract bend notations and whatnot when I don’t have the hybrid notation going on. Presented with tablature only, I’m frustrated by the need to meta translate into musical notes before applying my own fingerings.

#22

I think when discussing presentation of TAB vs standard notation as well as how to include the rhythm it’s really about context and audience.

I’m going to use different approaches if I’m trying to show a song vs a scale or concept, and I’m going to present differently depending on who I know is going to be looking at it.

As one example of this, for beginner students that aren’t trying to be serious musicians I’ll be less formal and shoot for an uncluttered page. When I’m writing something out to show to a more advanced player I’ll try to include as many details as I feel are worth including to make things playable from the page.

Some recent transcriptions:

sarah longfield

Arianna Powell

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#23

Hey, I guess I’m late to the party but I just noticed that SoundSlice will import a gp7 file. Very nice. And thanks @JakeEstner for sharing the sample transcriptions.