Does anyone totally change pickslant orientation between ascending and descending runs so that you’re swiping in both directions? A bit like Gambale picking but swiping instead of economy.
Wondering how well this works in general, it seems pretty viable for longer scalar runs with a turnaround in the middle.
Are there any downsides to this? Upsides? It seems like it could be faster than 2WPS or secondary motion DBX.
probably just depends on the player try it out see if you can get it faster, i just see economy swept string changes as the shortest distance, swiping will lengthen that distance further. i would also for myself rather choose swybrid over swiping, but i have yet to get it to sound the way i want so i am still stuck in usx rest stroke, always switching strings on downstrokes currently. i mess with it from time to time, but my half rest strokes are getting faster and stronger so i don’t know yet if i can get swybrid and the 1/2 swybrid (up pluck, not full swybrid up up pluck) fragments faster. in theory it is a definite yes, but i haven’t been able to. there is also a more chill swybrid i have been messing around with like this kinda thing i will shoot you a pm.
The only time I’ve seen it was here
I’m not sure that’s exactly what you are describing though. His setup seems to allow for swiping in both directions, but I can’t say for sure if he makes alterations depending on whether he’s ascending or descending.
@jptk That’s an interesting approach but not quite what I’m talking about. Actually I have a clip of Troy demonstrating something close to what I’m talking about in the primer right here
So the run starts descending with DSX and rotates on the E string with a 5 note grouping into USX.
The difference would be that instead of Gilbert sixes I would be trying it with 3NPS and swiping which only really works without the “garage spike” issue when done in the direction of your pickslant like economy picking.
Jorge’s swipe mechanics are pretty interesting, but it’s essentially a more subtle secondary motion rotating on ascending runs so the pick swipes through easily.
I understand what you mean and I think it could work well with good left hand muting…Descending may be trickier to keep quiet than ascending, depending on what the fingering is.
I’m wondering would it interfere with controlling the timing of sweeps, if you also use economy picking… or would it feel different enough that it feels like a separate thing altogether 
Working on figuring that out since I have trouble recognizing when I economy pick vs alternate pick. I think there’s probably a way to sort it out. As far as control goes, Brandon Ellis and Rick Graham have economy picking and sweeping as even as alternate picking so it’s certainly possible.
i think it really should have every angle thrown at it before resorting to swiping. Try downstroke (you can even treat this as a swipe as well to develop the speed and develop hiding it), hammer on note, hammer on another note, musically ascended string change, outside picking upstroke (and of course just flip flop this idea for dsx, upstroke swipes and pull offs). You never know the sound might be something that pleases the ear more than trying to pick something all the way through. Plus this can also help the left hand develop the speed if the swiping is lagging behind.
I’m interested to see what you come up with. You’ve got the two way sweeping down and also been working on the 902 motion, so I’d say it wouldn’t take too long to get something going with this.
Then you could compare results and see if you have a sonic preference, technique preference, and see what difficulties might crop up from there.
@bradejensen Idk man I’ve always been pretty good with my left hand since I’m strongly left hand dominant - this includes some random 16th note triplet legato runs at 157 BPM doing kind of what you’re describing with picking
The only thing I really have issues with at this point is stuff like 2WPS scalar runs or like Batio 4 note ascending stuff with tons of escape motions.
for me this is the problem with swiping and swybrid, they are phrase or fragment specific (1npstring). you have to have the phrase pretty much dialed in before you attempt it improvising.
Same is true with economy though, but I think with any technique, it comes down to just getting so many different picking patterns so ingrained that you instinctively apply one to the sequence of notes you’re thinking about playing.
this is why i always try to drive home this is the best way to do all this because if you can negate the fact which finger is where and can get use to the inconsistency of it all landing in different fingering patterns 3 finger economy picado solves all our problems that we get with a plectrum pick. swybrid stole mechanics from it.
if you get some free time for a few days or a few weeks just tinker with these licks and try to let the brain develop the motions so you can let your mind comprehend why this solves pretty much all the problems.
You kinda loose the ability to palm mute though, which as a metal player is strongly desirable for me. Otherwise, I look at like FingerShred on youtube for example, and I have to admit there’s no way I can hit that speed/clarity with a single pick. Definitely a powerful technique even applied to Rock/metal but I’d want both depending on context.
I feel like to get the full range of dynamics, you always come back to learning all the possible picking patterns anyway, universal technique only exists until you want to vary your dynamics a lot.
the only way you will know is to just try to develop it. i mean the old school gypsy jazz players were doing it by down strokes. 
this is a song i am currently learning. slow it to 50% to hear it, it’s crazy how fluid he gets this short fragment.
This is why I am a big advocate of swing tempo when first chunking because its the infancy stage of chunking starting with 2 notes, but it’s starting that 2 notes on the hardest manuever to develop the speed of it with relaxed body mechanics.
Here is another example from that same song, I am not entirely sure if it is notated right. But if it is correct this is also another way they will pick this kind of phrase with rest stroke technique players.
