SWYBRYD book by Marshall Harrison

Hi and sorry… English is not my native language…

Anyone bought swybryd book by Marshall Harrison? He is an awesome guitarist you can find on youtube, I was waiting for this book for a year and now the book is avaliable at 47 dollars (very expensive) I would like to read about the book before purchasing it… What songs are included? How many pages? is the right hand fully notated? is there some mistakes? Well guys if you have some info please tell me…

I bought guitar book 1 and guitar book 2 in the past.

Thank you guys.

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It’s basically his notebook. I find it valuable for analyzing Marshall’s approaches, but it’s not as organized as other more polished works. No method, per se. Kind of DIY, but that may be just the thing. $47 is not much for a person’s world view.

[Edit: Did he just release a new one? Perhaps provide a link so we’re not guessing which one is referred to? Thanks (I apparently have School of Legato)]

So totally different book. On the surface, much more polished. Haven’t perused yet.

Chris Brooks just came out with a new book on Legato Technique. One of the topics discussed is SWYBRYD. At about a third of the price, it might be worth checking out.

Available on amazon, but also as PDF.

I don’t have this particular book, as it just came out, but his books are generally of high quality.

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Thank you guys.

Can you tell me what songs are included? and…How many pages?

46 pages. This is more method than what I described about the previous book. Examples are drawn from various sources. Not really a songbook?

“”“Like I said at first comment, English is not my native language so… Sorry.”""

Well guys, finally I bought Swybryd book and in my opinion it does NOT worth 47 dollars.
Inside it we can find :

Music from beethoven, Chopin, Listz, Rachmaninov, toccata by Widor, Bach, etc. The problem is extracts are very small in my opinion, just a few notes in many cases.

We can also find some scales distributed in 4 notes per string, a small Gambale’s excerpt, “Robo Roo”, a paul gilbert lick, Becker’s serrana,

Also Joseph Wieniawski’s Etude 13 op. 44 for piano … I’m not sure if Marshall was wrong to write a number, but I’m unable to find this work on youtube or google. (if you can help me to find this music, please…let me know)

At the end of the book we can find a full Swybryd version of Eugene’s Trick Bag.

Some names of musical works are poorly written, for example, Marshall writes “Abinato by Listz” but should have named it as “Ab Irato”

I also found errors in transcriptions … for example some arpeggios of Ab Irato.

It is true that there are 46 pages, but there is a lot of unnecessary text, written with a very large font that contrasts with the small tabs.

Some tabulations have errors, this is the most painful … There are not many but there they are.

Some tabulations are poorly written, some of them indicate, in addition to the frets that we must press, if we must use pick up or down but in many others these indications are not, and it is confusing!!! because on swybryd you should use also right hand fingers.

Marshall also commented in one of his videos a music of Bach that he always played in his videos, would appear in the book, but the work is not there!

Some people wrote to Marshall in the comments of his videos commenting on certain errors in his book (such as the mistake he commented above about Ab Irato), however some of those comments have disappeared, and the book has not been corrected.

As I said at the beginning this book is not worth 47 dollars, but it is true that it is good to understand his “swybryd” technique. However, in my opinion it is not necessary at all, since you can learn by watching your videos in slow motion and writing the tabs yourself if necessary.

If anyone have any question about this book… I will try to help.

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Thanks for the review Jose. Seems I’ll probably pass on this one. Marshall could use the services of a professional music editor, especially at this asking price - over $1 per page!

The J. Wieniawski Etude may be correctly labeled, he did compose 24 Etudes de mécanisme et de style Op. 44 (only one complete recording is available to my knowledge). I’ve never seen the score, it’s likely very rare - no pianists play this music lol. There are some excerpts included in this dissertation.

Thank you for you info.

He played the Wieniawski Etude today, haha

Look at video at 1:02:03

@JoseVV Hello my friend. I’ve been searching for swybryd technique for a while. I’d love to ask some questions privately. How can i send you a private message?

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Hey! I swybrid too! Greetings fellow swybrist! :grinning:

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Isn’t it the hardest technique on guitar? :disappointed_relieved: My brain still can’t understand how to pluck fastly after an upstroke :sweat_smile:

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Naw, not too bad - I would say strict DBX (double escape) for 1 nps stuff is the toughest - hahaha but that’s just me.

Swybrid is actually more of a strategy than a technique - I wouldn’t say it’s too difficult BUT there is a bit of a caveat… you have to be able to do hybrid picking, sweep/economy picking and know where to apply it in between the even NPS stuff that works… So a bit of a catch 22. Really, the Swybrid stuff fills in the holes left by economy/sweep picking… Adds options.

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Amazing reply! Thank you so much my friend :relaxed: Those techniques that you mentioned are kinda easy when you only use one of them, but swybryd is like multitasking i guess, maybe that’s why it’s frustrating for me :sweat_smile:

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Hi Scott,
I’ve read your posts and I’m a similar way… DSX, but using Swybryd as a helper.

Could I ask about your Swybryd escape when ascending?

Up until now, I’ve been playing a downstroke straight after the middle finger pluck. Is this the normal way of doing it? I’ve been replaying Marshall’s videos to try and spot patterns.

It occurred to me that I could try and flip back into economy after the escape pluck by varying the pickstroke I do after the pluck depending on the number of notes I intend to play on that string. So for example, let’s say I played a down up on string 6 and became trapped after the upstroke. I then pluck string 5 with my middle finger. But if I wanted it to be an odd number of notes on that string, I would play up down so I am pointing the right way to continue onto string 4 with economy. Whereas if I wanted to play an even number of notes on that string, I would just play the downstroke after the pluck so I could then sweep into string 4 after that note.

I guess in a nutshell I mean choosing between an upstroke or downstroke after the pluck to keep the ascending run going with economy, depending on how many notes were needed on that string.

Do you know if that’s the usual way, or something that might have appeared in Marshall’s books? I’ve only noticed examples of a downstroke after the pluck so far.

Thanks in advance for any pointers!

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Yep - That’s normally what I do also, BUT keep in mind that we have two things that work to our advantage here; 1) We escape naturally on a downstroke (DSX Advantage), so that primes us to go into any of our descending sweep/economy, or ‘either direction’ alt picking even nps, another upstroke note to lead to ascending swybrid kind of moves 2) Hybrid picking is pretty flexible - lots of rolls etc can be done starting with a downstroke and THEN the pluck. In short, a ton of options.

When ascending, I go stuff+upstroke+pluck usually although I often go downstroke+pluck+pluck on a 3 string arpeggio. That can go either way. Faster with an upstroke I think though I haven’t explored extreme speeds yet. When descending, I start with a pluck then a downstroke if on same string or an upstroke on a “next string” if that makes sense?

I made a video, lol it may do more harm than good hahaha my fingers are pretty blistered up, but just some basic ideas and how I connect them. @Tom_Gilroy is really good at this also, really helped me get some traction with my motion. Of course Marshall Harrison’s the king, and there’s Brett Garsed, Rick Graham, Tosin, etc etc so many out there doing this sort of thing… lol Let me begin my 3 part apology for what I have played here hahaha Hopefully helpful, guys. And of course there’s bound to be one of the experts here who can chime in and get us set straight… :grinning:

I kind of made the video with you in mind my man - my fingers are pretty torn up, and it STILL works pretty dependably. Kind of a “trick” that you take advantage of really. Hopefully this helps a bit and gives you some ideas, eases the frustration a bit perhaps?

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Thanks for your response Scott, and taking the time to make a video!

I think I was focussing on swybryd and ascending scales when pronated.
I was thinking about efficient mechanics when mixing 2NPS and 3NPS patterns in a scale.

So let’s say I want to play a two octave major scale that starts with two notes on the low E and follows a 3NPS pattern after that.

With only downstrokes after a middle pluck, it would be

DU-MDU-MDU-MDU-MDU-M

…which is a hybrid escape on every string ascending.

But if I could sense that string 5 was going to be 3NPS, I could play :

DU-MUD-DUD-DUD-DUD-D

…which ploughs through the strings with pure economy and no further escapes needed in this particular simple example.

As Marshall does a strange and wonderful brew of economy and hybrid, I was trying to figure out if he does something like that or is strictly pluck-down every time he escapes ascending. Or is doing something else entirely because he isn’t pulled towards DSX. It’s very hard to figure out from those blazing YouTube videos. :slight_smile:

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I think I started working with swybrid picking in about 2016, after watching the Marshall Harrison interview here on CTC and some of Marshall’s YouTube videos.

I was already adept at RDT-based mixed escape and DBX alternate picking, USX and hybrid picking. I was never very comfortable with full-on sweeping and economy picking, and my hybrid picking wasn’t totally integrated with my other picking forms. Marshall’s CTC interview and his YouTube videos opened up a whole new world of possibilities for me.

This I can answer.

Marshall is capable of mixed escape “directional” picking, where every string change is either a sweep or an inside change. Marshall calls this “Jimmy Bruno Economy Picking.” If we take a basic A major scale shape like you’re suggesting, we have the picking solutions:

|-----------------------------5-7-9-
|-----------------------5-7-9-------
|-----------------4-6-7-------------
|-----------4-6-7-------------------
|-----4-5-7-------------------------
|-5-7-------------------------------
  d u d u d d u d d u d d u d d u d
or
  u d d u d d u d d u d d u d d u d

The first option is one way economy (USX) which the second option is strictly sweepable (that is, it follows the Gambale economy rules).

Marshall is totally capable of either, but he very clearly has a preference for the second option. I would strongly suspect that if Marshall found himself needing to play this scale, he would have arranged whatever he played before it so that the scale can begin with an upstroke.

If the scale could not begin on the upstroke and the scale had to be played starting on a downstroke, I suspect that Marshall would prefer to change the fretting to incorporate a position shift to achieve a sequence which follows the Gambale rules. So, the sequence

  2 4 1 2 4 1 3 4 1 3 4 1 2 4 1 2 4 
|-----------------------------5-7-9-
|-----------------------5-7-9-------
|-----------------4-6-7-------------
|-----------4-6-7-------------------
|-----4-5-7-------------------------
|-5-7-------------------------------
  d u d u d d u d d u d d u d d u d

would become

  2 4s4 1 2 4 1 2 4 1 2 4 1 3 4  1 3
|--------------------------------7-9-
|-------------------------7-9-10-----
|-------------------6-7-9------------
|-------------6-7-9------------------
|-------5-7-9------------------------
|-5-7-9------------------------------
  d u d d u d d u d d u d d u d  d u

or some other variation on this idea. Marshall’s fretting hand is more than capable of the task.

So, if Marshall is able to play this sequence without hybrid picking, does that mean he wouldn’t hybrid pick at all? Maybe not. Marshall could choose to incorporate a single hybrid picked note to change the position of the inside change, as follows:

|-----------------------------5-7-9-
|-----------------------5-7-9-------
|-----------------4-6-7-------------
|-----------4-6-7-------------------
|-----4-5-7-------------------------
|-5-7-------------------------------
  d u m d u d u d d u d d u d d u d

Why would he do this? Marshall’s picking movement is quite flat. It appears to me that he has a bias towards DSX. For ascending economy he needs to supinate very slightly to achieve a downward slant. If he were to begin this sequence falt or with a slight DSX, the pluck with the middle finger can involve a subtle roll, bringing him into a more supination and facilitating USX one way economy for the rest of the sequence.

Marshall certainly could play the sequence repeating mdu on each string

|-----------------------------5-7-9-
|-----------------------5-7-9-------
|-----------------4-6-7-------------
|-----------4-6-7-------------------
|-----4-5-7-------------------------
|-5-7-------------------------------
  d u m d u m d u m d u m d u m d u

however, I would doubt that he would do this unless he had a very specific reason. I could see this pattern facilitating a more comfortable turnaround , for example.

The alternative you’ve given

|-----------------------------5-7-9-
|-----------------------5-7-9-------
|-----------------4-6-7-------------
|-----------4-6-7-------------------
|-----4-5-7-------------------------
|-5-7-------------------------------
  d u m u d d u d d u d d u d d u d

is basically a non-starter. An upstroke can follow a hybrid pluck, but not on the same string. After the plucked note (C#) with the middle finger, the tip of the pick will be above the A string. It’s direction of travel towards the next note (D) is downward. Attempting to play an upstroke here is essentially equivalent to doing two sequential upstrokes on the same string.

Here’s an example of a pattern using u after m. It’s DSX+hybrid, the trick here is not to let the pick escape the strings when the middle finger plucks.

|-------------|-------------|
|-------------|-------------|
|-----6-------|-------------|
|-7-9---------|-----6-------|
|-------7-9-5-|-7-9---------|
|-------------|-------7-9-5-|
  d u m u d u   d u m u d u 

Done correctly, the umu here feels similar to an upstroke sweep. People familiar with my work will know that this is an EDC sequence.

It’s important to understand that we don’t always need to use full two-way swybrid. If we can incorporate the hybrid picked notes after the upstroke in either DSX or USX, we can solve a lot of the “bad cases” in each system.

In DSX it’s totally straightforward. The only “bad case” is when we want to play a note on a higher string after an upstroke, we can do whatever we want after a downstroke (because we’re escaped) and if we want to play a note on a lower string after an upstroke we can use an upstroke sweep. Hybrid picking solves this bad case immediately, the higher string is naturally plucked by the middle finger.

In USX it’s a little more subtle, but plucking with the middle finger after an upstroke can be used to solve the case that Chris Brooks calls “the lone note exception.” I think seamless USX+hybrid demands a dart-thrower movement, the fingers won’t be in a position to hybrid pick with other USX forms.

It’s also worth noting that hybrid picking offers some really unusual capabilities. The hybrid picked note after the upstroke does not need to be on an adjacent string, so we can easily skip strings. Also, if we pluck with the middle and ring fingers simultaneously, we can incorporate double-stops.

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Hey @Tom_Gilroy , thanks very much for your thoughtful and detailed analysis there.

I’m really looking forward to giving those approaches a try later.

Tim.

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Thank you so much for the video and that amazing detailed analysis my friend! I also subscribed to the channel :relaxed:

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