Unidirectional secondary motion

Hi, it’s been a while! Some time ago I noticed an interesting anomaly in my technique, which I thought was just accidental. Today I read the article on secondary motion and realized that it actually seems to be more common.

I was one of the unfortunate string hopping only people before I found Troy’s YouTube channel. I consciously learned first an Yngwie style USX technique powered by forearm rotation, and later a wrist based DSX technique (which I realized I could also do with the elbow).

While my USX technique is what I’m most comfortable with, I started noticing that I was automatically using the DSX technique for some phrases. And those phrases weren’t supposed to be playable with only DSX, like the inside picking version of the Paul Gilbert lick. I realized that I had developed a secondary motion which uses forearm rotation - just like what many of the players mentioned in the article do.

There is something weird about it, though. It only works for ascending string changes. I can do an upstroke, rotate the forearm and move to a higher string. But it doesn’t work in the other direction, where the forearm rotation + tracking to a lower string pretty much guarantee that I will hit the string. Like I said, I thought this was a quirk of something I had developed kind of randomly.

But then I read the article. It starts with an example of Andy Wood doing his forearm secondary motion on ascending string changes. The next example is the Pepsi lick. Even though it is a descending scale, the string change which requires secondary motion is an ascending one.

Then there’s MAB playing the same thing in reverse, which means that he would need secondary motion on a descending string change. Presumably this is so difficult to do cleanly that he would rather start the whole pattern on an upstroke so that he can do secondary motion on the ascending string change.

The next clip is Teemu. His technique is primarily USX and he rotates his forearm in the opposite direction to achieve an escaped downstroke. This means that everything is flipped for him and his secondary motion should work on descending string changes. And sure enough, that’s what the clip shows.

In the last example, Andy Wood plays descending string changes with a different secondary motion. But he already has a forearm rotation motion, so why not use it? Is it so difficult when descending that he instead developed a whole new secondary motion to compensate?

I’m sure there will be counter examples, especially since a swipe here and there most likely isn’t too bad. But it seems too consistent to just be coincidence.

I also realized that the “difficult” string changes are the ones that can be played with sweeps, but my descending sweeping has never been great and I currently don’t have a secondary motion to complement my USX technique, so I can’t verify how well all of these things could work together.

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It’s not that it’s difficult, it’s just that switching to a different secondary motion when it feels right is very natural/easy, you don’t even really have to think about it, it just happens. I’m sure this would be the same reason Andy does it :slight_smile:

For my wrist DSX, I use a little forearm rotation as my secondary motion when going from an upstroke to a downstroke on a higher string, using just wrist secondary motion I end up with too much edge picking and forearm rotation feels really natural. This lick would be an example of this type of string change:

When going from an upstroke to a downstroke on a lower string I’d just use a wrist secondary motion. Again, just feels really easy and no issues with edge picking in this instance so I don’t have to use any forearm rotation to compensate. This lick would be an example of this type of string change:

If you try the two different licks you’ll probably see what I mean :grin:

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It’s funny that sentence appeared on this forum of all places :grinning: The wrist based motion doesn’t come naturally to me, I will need to deliberately practice that. But it seems to me that your example confirms my observation as well - different motions for ascending and descending string changes.

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Expanding on this, what I should say is don’t try and micro-manage your movements. You need something that is realistic and actually works at speed so experiment with licks that require this type of motion, let it be messy and see if you can clean it up by feel.

I think I got this type of secondary motion working by playing these types of licks, letting any swiping happen and slowly trying to dial it out until the escape was clean :slight_smile: