I wouldn’t reverse any darts in a pub environment unless your friends are standing to your left!
Wait a minute I am really confused. I though 8 - 2 was reverse dart and 10 - 4 was dart thrower???
Oh jesus I flubbed the directions. Ha. New version coming up. Edit: fixed!
thank fuck for that, I thought I’d completely lost my marbles
I was sitting here trying to mime throwing a dart with both motions and getting extremely confused
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I was trying to quote the clock picture but I think that proves what I said above? How can one player be just reverse dart thrower?
McLaughlin or Andy James are as close as we’ve seen to “only reverse dart”. If you use their arm position, reverse dart will be downstroke escape, and then you just play lines which are only downstroke escape.
If you mean, how can a person do both upstroke and downstrokes escape with only reverse dart thrower, then no, you can’t. Not without introducing another motion to help you get the other escape, like another wrist motion, or forearm, fingers, etc.
Sorry just seeing this now. Yes, you can check out the “identifying your motions” section of the Primer. The whole wrist thing is a useful watch, but if you just want “reverse dart wrist”, you can check out the Di Meola video:
That’s what I was getting at. When ppl reference one or the other my brain is thinking it’s the only one. My brain is wayyyyy too literal for all these terminologies haha
Aha, sorry again, I think I understand what you were asking above. You’re thinking, well if dart goes in one direction, then reverse dart must be the same exact same motion, just coming back to the starting point. Like if we said “forward box” to mean punching toward the opponent, and “reverse punch to mean” is coming back to your guard. Tell me if that’s correct.
But that’s not actually what I meant by these terms. Instead, dart thrower goes forward and backward along one path. That would be like saying “boxing jab”. It includes both directions, the jab toward the opponent and then pulling back. Reverse dart actually follows a different path entirely, but goes forward and backward along that path. That would be like “uppercut”. Goes from down low to up high, then comes back along that path.
In the case of the dart motions, they make an X in the air. A reverse dart thrower player would move back and forth along only one line in the X. The dart thrower would move back and forth along the other line.
Let me know if that’s what you were asking.
Ah okay, that clarifies. Judging by that, I guess I had the movement correct - moving from 10 - 4 not 8 - 2, though still felt rather awkward for me at least.
That’s funny because I was about to say the exact same thing about the trailing edge grip. For the life of me I found it spikey no matter how I tried to move.
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I’ve had the same experience. I’ve been tooling around with it more because of the allure of a really stable form to play Shawn Lane licks, but so far no success. Garage spikes pointing everywhere!
To avoid spikes, the pick must be perpendicular to the direction it is moving. This is what pickslanting achieves — link upthread somewhere.
So for trailing edge, you have rotate the pick in your fingers until it is 90 degrees to whatever diagonal path it is following. Then it will be smooth.
Well the smoothest I got it was holding it with three fingers and quite a bit of edge picking. Pretty much the exact mirror of how I normally hold it, still felt wierd though.
At first before I gave it steep edge picking I had the garage spikes in both directions.
Yeah that makes more sense now thanks
I have hitchhiker’s thumb on my picking hand and still seem to need to use three-finger grip, then I can get enough edge picking – but it’s still sticky. I’ll try to work it into my “practice routine,” but switching pick grips is kind of tricky to do quickly for me!
That’s correct! This is how it works, and what Shawn did. The high degree of edge picking, I mean. I don’t know if he used three fingers. I often do though.
I think it’s dart-thrower, I’ve watched the clip you posted many times now and it seems to be what’s happening.
I think that makes sense, that would help.
Trying it now, I think the standard size pick might help to facilitate this too. I use the EJ Jazz IIIs almost exclusively and dart-thrower from a standard grip feels difficult, even when I try to make these compensations. With standard pick, the adjustments seem easier to make and the movement feels better.
He didn’t. Thumb and index finger only.
Awesome. Next question, what about Guthrie when doing pentas on downstrokes?
No, I’m not so convinced here. Slowing down the video, the downstrokes seem to be escaping with some extension.