Pronated, "downstroke escape" wrist based players?

Just curious who all out in the wild plays like this?

Do you mean pros? Or are you asking like here on the forum. Not saying the forum doesn’t have plenty of pro-level players or anything, cuz there are definitely plenty around here :slight_smile:

Pros:
Andy James
John McLaughlin
Al Di Meola
Jeff Loomis

Forum (all showcase pro level chops):
@tommo
@cmcgee11235
@adamprzezdziecki

Not sure if I am on target 100% on the pronation. Some of these guys might drift into the neutral or lightly supinated posture at times, though I should probably ask why the pronation matters?

I am still working on pro level chops but I can do wrist dsx too, definitely with pronation. I think it was my core motion pre CTC I just never understood how to capitalize on it. My “fastest” playing always involved elbow which is of course fine. Again, I didn’t understand how to make it work to my advantage. For both I know I was pronated since I used my thumb heel to mute/noise control the bass strings.

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Hey thanks for the reply - I am just simply curious who uses it now that I understand this stuff a bit better. Sure - the forum, people out making albums etc etc.

Looks to me like Molly Tuttle does too? But she kind of does mixed escape, yes? So I guess pronated lol

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Yeah Molly is pronated and DBX mostly (totally???)
I think David Grier has a setup like her but does actually do some DSX. He is of course another DBX player too

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The other thing to remember about the wrist is that it can do any escape from any posture.

Supinated DSX - Nuno, EVH
Supinated USX - EJ, Mike Stern
Pronated DSX (above list in other post)
Pronated USX - Shawn Lane
Neutral or REALLY mildly supinated DSX - Andy Wood, Anton Oparin
Neutral or REALLY mildly supinated DBX - Also Andy Wood, Anton Oparin
Supinated DBX - Steve Morse, Albert Lee
Pronated DBX - Molly Tuttle, David Grier

I think that’s everything…I guess we could also go fully trapped from any position lol

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hahaha I guess that would be me in that category; I have THAT nailed! lol

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Ha! Are you? I thought most clips I’ve seen from you, you get clear escapes on the downstrokes, no? I agree trapped seems limited BUT Strunz made it work for him. With good enough muting, it can work.

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I DO escape on downstrokes, and with a bit of “translation” from the awesome Tom Gilroy, I am starting to understand this stuff and make some pretty excellent (for me) progress. I also Pronate it would seem now… lol BUT I have successfully migrated to playing mostly wrist! hahaha

Trying to find others of my kind!

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if you have instagram, check out Alex Skolnick’s instagram. Lots of up close videos. He’s a pronated fella and rips!

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if you have instagram, check out Alex Skolnick’s instagram. Lots of up close videos. He’s a pronated fella and rips!

I had no idea, and I LOVE Alex’s playing! Thanks man, you just made my day!

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Let me know if you spot it.

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I am seeing it all over the place. Now that I understand this stuff a bit better it’s easier to spot! getting there! Thanks to everyone who posted!

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Yes! And it really looks like he sticks with that motion mostttttt of the time, at least from the clips I’ve seen. And look what that guy can do with one primary motion lol

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@joebegly I can play pronated well, but unless I’m doing it purposely, I’m pretty sure most of the time it’s like a lightly supinated/almost neutral, and I just pronate when I go to lower strings. Which I think makes it more similar to Andy Wood. I need to get some better footage but I’m pretty sure on the higher strings my wrist is about flat against the bridge which per Andy Wood’s interview results in a very slight supinated position.

One place where this is kinda easy to see is the descending technical difficulties run

You can’t quite tell at first but by the end of the run you can see that rotation over the lower strings.

That’s not my original fast picking style though, I have much older footage of the pronated + trailing edge picking motion.

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