Technique from amazing guitarist Cesario Filho

Playing Technique
#28

I’m just curious: why are you equating “picking everything” with perfection? From Yngwie’s standpoint, maybe a pull-off is actually “perfection” because it better suits the picking patterns that he’s accustomed to, therefore feel more fluid. It wouldn’t be too far of a stretch to consider this, as @Troy linked a live performance with a similar pattern played without strictly picking everything, and even his own slow motion video demonstrating that a pull-off can have as much attack as a picked note (especially easy when you’re using 8 gauge strings tuned a half step down, as I recall Yngwie does).

I’m also not sure why you would consider this “cheating”? There are no rules… If it works, it works!

#29

what i mean by perfection is that lick is standing out alone in the mix so he wants it to sound bold and powerful. so it has to sound perfect! geez im not out to get anyone just trying to let you guys on a tip get music speed changer rofl :confused: and rely on your ears not video! but lol yes use video to understand the techniques but don’t cheat once you know the secrets troy has shown you

ship me a mic and ill record it slowed down and you’ll hear the pick strokes in all there beautiful glory but i can’t force you to download a free app. i guess it be too hard to try something stupid like that and loop the very first lick and slow down and let it sink into your ear. you’ll hear it after about 10 minutes. once your brain hears that pickstroke sound and picks up on it its easier and easier to hear. and for goodness sakes use a decent headset with an amplifier it helps immensely at first. then once you get better at hearing the slow down artifacting nuance of the app you can kinda just use the weak phone speaker really depends on how much is going on in the song if you can just use the phone speaker.

#30

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i mean you seem rather brash in your statement that i think. no sir i hear it, but you never will if you dont listen .

haha no im wrong its the same pattern just differnt picking pattern similar to the picking pattern of the fingering of the other scale shape youre talking about. so it can all be picked.

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#31

While this is a viable picking solution for this type of descending scale pattern, it is definitely not the Yngwie does it. This type of upstroke sweep on a string change just is not in Yngwie’s scale playing vocabulary. It’s more like the way Gambale might pick it if he did these types of runs. Yngwie only does upstroke sweeps on descending arpeggios across 4 or more strings.

A lot of us have pored over all the available footage of Yngwie playing this type of pattern, and it’s never made with upstroke sweeping. Troy more than anyone has shown the most video evidence to support his theories - and he pretty much hits the nail on the head: descending string changes always happen on a downstroke. If there’s an odd-numbered fingering on the previous string, there’s a pulloff that allows an upstroke escape to prep for the downstroke string change. It’s the Yng-way.

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#32

i mean yngwie does do more than 3 string sweeps though

#33

If we’re going by “ears” here, the record version of this does not at all sound like all the notes are being picked, again, to me. It’s eight-note triplets and not sixteenths, so it’s one click slower, and this makes it much easier to hear. The trill and the B string in particular sound particularly obvious to me as partially picked.

But the faster he plays it, the less you can hear the pulloffs. The version around 30 seconds connected to the single-string fours I think would fool almost anyone, as would the version in Little Savage which is also unaccompanied.

But again, I’m totally fine with whatever you’re hearing, and apologies for the aggro.

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#34

well with the app music speed changer i can hear the pick attack the very first time he plays it. not the first three but all the proceeding notes are picked if using the app music speed changer. even the second time the lick is played but its a bit weaker. after that yes he falls back into the method you outlined.

#35

FWIW, I’m listening to this at full speed and that first pull-off after the trill is blatantly obvious to me. The second pull-off is less pronounced, but still there if you listen closely.

Btw, this shouldn’t be a question of what software one is using. I’m listening to the CD on my PC and I can hear it plain as day. Seems to me like he’s playing something more like this:

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#36

did you even try the slow down feature on the app music speed changer to listen to the audio file? the cuh cuh cuh cuh cuh sound is there in all its glory the first two times he plays it. the clacking of the attack is so pronounced its blatantly obvious, but you are not using the app. maybe you are just being rude either way it is picked those first two times.

#37

I think you are letting your emotions get the best of you. No one responding to you is being rude. It’s quite the opposite, actually. We are going out of their way to help you, but you seem to be locked into your way of thought and then lash out at anything that challenges it. Not a great way to learn, IMO.

Anyways, have a good one.

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#38

Hey Troy,

Have a look at this video, I have slowed both of them down using Transcribe! and he seems to play the lick 2 different ways. Both follow the Yngwie rules.

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#39

im talking about the original LP recording. tell me what you think listening to it with transcribe!. i dont have the software but i think they are similar in slow down quality.

#40

Dude every note is not picked, Troy has created THE definitive study on Yngwie’s technique. When Yngwie descends the strings and plays three notes it is definitely Down, Up, Pull Off; using USX.

The only variation I’m suggesting is 4 notes on the 2nd string or 4 notes on the 3rd string, I believe Yngwie changes things up to amuse himself.

Slowing down the LP recording it sounds like the first version, i.e. 4 notes on the 3rd string.

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#41

ok so whats the timestamp from transcribe! beyond the beginning 3 notes on the LP recording where the pull off is happening on the first time the lick is played at from 0:14.700 - 0:16.300. segment me out the the two notes its happening on. all i hear beyond the original trill pull off is all plicky ticks before each note. there is a transition shift in down up down to up down up pick sound though as can be heard when the lick ends.

#42

I’ve been enjoying his channel for a few months. He has some short tutorials up. I enjoy hearing him play. It’s a little wild but he’s damn good! I love Yngwie though so he’s right in my wheel house of fandom. :slight_smile:

#43

Cesario is quite something.
He’s got a different picking stance, bends his thumb which YJM doesn’t.

Also noticed YJM’s pick is really extended away, no curl on the index finger, I’m trying to incorporate that as the picking motions get drastically reduced with it extended fully. I hope that’s making sense. But it’s not been easy, I feel like I’ve reset the whole thing.

I don’t know if guys have posted Roma Li videos, but as much as I love CF, and he is magnificent, RL goes closer to YJM than anybody I’ve seen.

#44

he does bend his thumb.

check out this back to back insane pinky trill.

oh you said stance. i get ya.

#46

the wierd thing i just now heard was the fact that the 2nd and 3rd times that he plays the lick he ends it 12 10 9 8. thats the time stamp on the 3rd time where he switches from the 12 11 9 8 to 12 10 9 8. i kept playing along with it hearing something not quite right.

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#47

Here is a closeup video of Cesario’s picking hand…

#48

Here is Cesario blazing through one of @Troy 's licks!!

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