Videos on fretting principles

[Tom_Gilroy]

On @tommo’s recommendation I’ve decided to re-post this video from my book thread to the Show and Tell category, so that it might be viewed by more of the community.

This video introduces an important gripping concept that to my knowledge, has not been discussed in depth in previously available guitar instruction.

Grip

If there are questions about this concept I will answer them here. I intend to make short videos highlighting some things I look for when studying a player’s fretting posture, the hand at rest and a response video to @Frylock’s post discussing my initial impressions of Segovia’s fretting posture based upon those ideas.

Everything, of course, will be treated in more depth in the book.

[tommo]

Awesome thank you very much! I was very intrigued by your suggestion that stretches can be incorporated while using the “power grip”. So whenever you have time, if you could elaborate on that it would be great

[Tom_Gilroy]

A few more videos. The first discusses the idea of the hand at rest, which I feel is of crucial importance.

The Hand at Rest

The next video discusses the idea of using the strength of structures to oppose our muscular force.

Opposing structures.

I’ll make a few videos on stretching and developing flexibility later @tommo.

[induction]

I really appreciate these videos. Very helpful insights. Thank you.

[Tom_Gilroy]

Applying the resting fretting hand to the guitar neck.

The Hand at Rest and Fretting Postures

Stretching and flexibility of the hands and fingers.

Stretching and Flexibility

[Frylock]

@Tom_Gilroy

The next video discusses the idea of using the strength of structures to oppose our muscular force.

This is one thing that I intuitively applied in my fretting from very early on. In particular, I tend to tend to point my thumb toward the neck joint more than “conventional wisdom” prescribes so that the thumb MCP joint’s passive resistance to torque and flexion beyond a certain range provides a relatively passive opposing structure.

Another activity where this general principle of exploiting strength of structures gets applied is rock climbing. Using extended legs as rigid members compressed between two surfaces is one textbook example of energy conservation in rock climbing. Another is hanging from the structural tensile strength of relatively relaxed extended arms (versus bent arms).

[Tom_Gilroy]

@Frylock

This is one thing that I intuitively applied in my fretting from very early on.

A lot of people do, even people who’ll tell you that “the correct posture” has a pinching aspect.

I’ve done a little climbing, I started indoor climbing in January. Not long enough at it to be any good at all.

[7th11th]

A Quick question:

What would be a good stretching “schedule”? I tend to overdo things like that, because I am otherwise worried that I don’t do it enough to have an effect. But that might hurt something…

Great vid!

Thx!

EDIT: Just to clarify, I mean the stretching excercises you display in the “Stretching and Flexibility” vid, specifically the ones with maintaining abduction while adding flexion/extension.

[ASTN]

Playing Allan Holdsworth ))
You whether get nice stretch or go to hospital after this

[Tom_Gilroy]

Hi,

No more than a few minutes a day. Shake out the hand well before and after. Hold each stretch for just a few seconds. Stretch far enough to feel a stretch, not to feel pain.

Regular, light stretching is much more beneficial than stretching to the point of pain. We’re want our hands to be able to move themselves into these positions comfortably under their own strength.

[7th11th]

Thx! That is very helpful

[CRK]

Helpful, I come from a Flamenco/Classical background and always wondered why steel string players had their thumb looped over the top. The steel string fretboard is also much narrower and the neck thinner making this more possible, it is more difficult with a classical guitar in my experience, but for steel string this makes a lot of sense. Gracias.

[stormymondays]

I’ve only watched the first video so far - AMAZING INSIGHT!!!

There’s been some discussions about the left hand on the forum that have touched on this. Thanks to Cracking The Code not only I fixed my right hand problems but it gave me the energy to find and fix my left hand problems too.

The damage that the “classical” posture has inflicted is enormous.

Inspired by CTC, I started to watch the left hand positions of the players I like, like Clapton, and totally changed my approach. My left hand now goes into a “violin” shape, or even a “handshake” with the thumb over the neck.

Gone is the weird almost right-angle in the wrist that results from trying to apply the “classical” posture to an electric guitar hanging from a strap.

Edit: watched all the videos, great stuff. Can’t wait to have the book!

[ScottyB]

I would be curious on study of the type of hand shape and finger length, and if one is double jointed or not ,and how that effects things. I think studying these things and what the differences and what strengths the different structures have would be very interesting.

[Jadendav950]

oh man! this is game changing stuff, I started learning classical guitar and that posture has translated into my electric playing. Plus there are a few players who encourage classical posture of the left hand like Rusty Cooley or MAB. no wonder my left hand gets tired easily.

[induction]

I agree. I’ve been applying Tom’s insights to my left hand posture for the last 3 years, and the difference in speed, accuracy, and endurance is undeniable.

[Jadendav950]

this is so new for me so I definitely have to go into an experimentation phase right now.

[Scottulus]

Awesome stuff; Thanks Tom!

[Jadendav950]

now that iv’e been playing around with it, I also found more of a violin shape instead of the classical posture, what a difference it makes. I always felt like my left hand was laggin behind on those 3nps things, not anymore lol. I still gotta play around with it for certain positions and diferent strings where it feels nore awkward, it’s mostly on those where even a slight stretch is required, like the whole tone/ whole tone fingering, or on the bottom strings and lower frets, but the difference already is pretty noticeable in my stamina, and coordination and speed even if I go to that classical posture my fingers just start to lag and get sluggish.

Question for @Tom_Gilroy

@Tom_Gilroy

This video introduces an important gripping concept that to my knowledge, has not been discussed in depth in previously available guitar instruction.

Does the fretting position change depending on the guitar position? placing the guitar on the right leg vs left leg, classical posture of the guitar vs more conventional.